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« on: July 01, 2006, 03:48:05 AM »
Sort of, I guess...

This flew over the house yesterday:



Don't recall seeing this specific design in the area before.  Quite a different sound from the usual rotary-wing craft that pass by.  It was on up there, too.  I had to use the full 300mm on my tele-lens to capture it and then had to crop the hell out of image to zoom in further and get some detail from it.

I can make out faint markings on the fuselage and the white marking on the tail, that appears to at least partially be the number two.  No idea to whom or what it belongs; doesn't match any of the area aeromedical craft.

Best I can tell, it appears to be a Eurocopter EC155... I think. :/  Anyone know for sure?

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« Reply #1 on: July 01, 2006, 04:09:41 AM »
Helicopters and ugly women:  I don't pay a lot of attention to them.  (Helicopters don't fly; they're so ugly that the earth rejects them.)

Down my way, we see these fairly big choppers halfway regularly; they're commonly DEA guys looking for Mary-ja-wanna patches.  Back in my 172 daze I'd see them from time to time, refueling up at Alpine.

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« Reply #2 on: July 01, 2006, 05:19:26 AM »
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Expect a visit from the men in black - those guys are REAL sensitive about the rabble takin' pictures of their BLACK HELICOPTERS! Wink  AND - to make matters worse you went and posted it on the internet. I imagine that sharp pointy things under your fingenails might just be in your future! Shocked
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« Reply #3 on: July 01, 2006, 07:52:58 AM »
Might be a version of the Dauphin
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurocopter_Dauphin
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« Reply #4 on: July 01, 2006, 08:04:19 AM »
That looks alot like like a DPS (state trooper) helicopter they had searching for a suspect near my work last week. But then my knowledge of helicopter models is severely limited. I'm assuming you used a tri-pod, spin180? If not, I'd be very curious as to the model of the camera you used. Actually I'm curious anyway, what brand/model were you using?

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« Reply #5 on: July 01, 2006, 08:07:48 AM »
I agree with JJ on the Dauphin. They are used by the Coast Guard.

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« Reply #6 on: July 01, 2006, 08:14:43 AM »
Heck, I've been having those silent rotor invisible helicopters flying over my place.

I haven't seen or heard anything, so that's what it has to be. Cheesy
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« Reply #7 on: July 01, 2006, 01:42:39 PM »
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Sort of, I guess...

This flew over the house yesterday:

http://sfp180.smugmug.com/photos/78835916-M.jpg

Don't recall seeing this specific design in the area before.  Quite a different sound from the usual rotary-wing craft that pass by.  It was on up there, too.  I had to use the full 300mm on my tele-lens to capture it and then had to crop the hell out of image to zoom in further and get some detail from it.

I can make out faint markings on the fuselage and the white marking on the tail, that appears to at least partially be the number two.  No idea to whom or what it belongs; doesn't match any of the area aeromedical craft.

Best I can tell, it appears to be a Eurocopter EC155... I think. :/  Anyone know for sure?

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It's an EC155.  The only other possibility would be an EC135, but the nose doesn't look right.


There's good odds said helicopter is serviced by the company I work for these days.  If not the entire aircraft, at least the engines.   State police, homeland security and hospitals are buying a lot of EuroCopters these days.  They're pretty decent aircraft.  

I used to fly around in the dark green helicopters that looked black under various circumstances.   Pilots need x hours per month to stay qualified, during one such flight we came up on a concert...   Gods know what the folks thought about a black (well, green) helo hovering over the concert.   We were just tired of flying in circles and wanted some entertainment.

Things are generally more mundane than the rumor mill suspects.   Wink
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« Reply #8 on: July 01, 2006, 05:41:49 PM »
i see the ultra flat dark green whirly birds in flight patterns along the Potomac in Georgetown

no major side markings

i also see the whitehouse sea kings
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« Reply #9 on: July 01, 2006, 06:08:08 PM »
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It's an EC155.  The only other possibility would be an EC135, but the nose doesn't look right.
That's what I suspected, the more I researched it.  I'm actually rather familiar with the EC135, as it's the primary model used by our local aeromedical service.  

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I'm assuming you used a tri-pod, spin180? If not, I'd be very curious as to the model of the camera you used. Actually I'm curious anyway, what brand/model were you using?
No tripod, actually.  I just barely had time to get the camera out and snap the photo before the helo had motored on out of sight.

I used my Canon Digital Rebel (the older model, not the XT) and a Sigma 70-300mm APO lens.  If you're wondering, the settings were...

Aperture: f/8.0
Shutter: 1/1600 (0.0006s)
ISO: 400

I guess the image turned out alright considering the distance and amount of haze we had the other day.  The original image size was 3072x2048, and as cropped it's 762x508.  The old Rebel still does fairly well; especially considering my relative lack of photo skills.  Still want a 20D or 30D, though. :(  Anyone have a spare $1000 they want to give me? :P

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« Reply #10 on: July 01, 2006, 08:48:47 PM »
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No tripod, actually.
Ah, I wondered because if I had taken that picture off-hand at full-zoom, the helicopter would have been a blurry black bar; I don't have the steadiest hands. Although I probably would have had a chance of a somewhat decent shot with that fast of a shutter speed. I'm thinking when I shell out for a good quality DSLR, it's going to need to be one of the ones with the anti-shake technology.

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« Reply #11 on: July 01, 2006, 09:39:07 PM »
you know something? I think that people have been freaking out over black helicopters for about 15 years or so....
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« Reply #12 on: July 02, 2006, 02:37:23 AM »
The blacks one do exist..... they have been spotted all over the place.

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« Reply #13 on: July 02, 2006, 06:15:03 AM »
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« Reply #14 on: July 02, 2006, 06:46:44 AM »
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I noticed that when I was trying to figure out what type of helo I'd seen.

What's up with them going overseas to EADS for these, though?  Couldn't have Bell, Boeing, McDonnell or Sikorsky provided something suitible?

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« Reply #15 on: July 02, 2006, 07:13:05 AM »
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What's up with them going overseas to EADS for these, though?  Couldn't have Bell, Boeing, McDonnell or Sikorsky provided something suitible?
Quite frankly, I'm both surprised and disappointed that the US hasn't bought more aircraft and helicopters from Europe.  Some of their products are very good indeed, and I think the "not invented here" syndrome has kept the US armed forces from being able to use some excellent aircraft for less money than they've had to pay to local manufacturers.

A good example is the new fleet of Presidential helicopters.  A European helicopter won the competition, deservedly, as it's superior to the US Blackhawk in almost every respect.  However, as soon as the results were announced, a bunch of US commentators and politicians started moaning and groaning about it, demanding that the purchase be of US helicopters.  This makes no sense to me.  The winning 'copters will be locally built, under license, so no US jobs will be lost;  and the superiority of the winning entry, to anyone who bothers to read up on the size and performance of the competing 'copters, is obvious.

These utility helicopters are another good example of a superior product.  No US machine could match the price/performance mix of the European entry.  As a result, there has been (and, I'm sure, will continue to be) pressure from US politicians and lobbyists to either adopt a less-suitable US design, or have a brand-new 'copter designed from scratch in the US (at vastly higher expense, needless to say).  I think the right decision was made - and again, these will be built in the US under license, so no US jobs will be lost.

If the US expects to sell its allies aircraft, and objects when they buy elsewhere, why shouldn't our allies expect us to buy from them when their products are clearly superior for the designated mission?
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« Reply #16 on: July 02, 2006, 07:18:29 AM »
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No tripod, actually.
Ah, I wondered because if I had taken that picture off-hand at full-zoom, the helicopter would have been a blurry black bar; I don't have the steadiest hands. Although I probably would have had a chance of a somewhat decent shot with that fast of a shutter speed. I'm thinking when I shell out for a good quality DSLR, it's going to need to be one of the ones with the anti-shake technology.
No need.  Did you catch the shutterspeed?  1/1600 is pretty fast and will still all but the worst shake and movement.

At f8.0, he could've gone even faster, but would've sacrificed DOF in the process.

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« Reply #17 on: July 02, 2006, 08:48:55 AM »
I used to do a lot of work related to a foreign made helicopter, and so did a lot of other folks in the USA.

Kind of interesting to be on a conference call with folks from 3 US states and a couple other countries Wink
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« Reply #18 on: July 02, 2006, 08:58:35 AM »
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...I think the "not invented here" syndrome has kept the US armed forces from being able to use some excellent aircraft for less money than they've had to pay to local manufacturers.
Well, that ideology is what had me stumped.  I figured a deal like this would create the usual mountain of bitching & moaning, but it would seem that hasn't happened thus far.  But, it looks like this was just announced the other day, so I guess it hasn't made the rounds yet.

I completely agree with you, though.  Looking over what's available from the US manufacturers, it does appear there isn't much comparable.  And the ~$3 billion lifetime pricetag is no doubt immensely less expensive than tooling something from scratch.

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« Reply #19 on: July 03, 2006, 12:21:12 PM »
Hey Preach, check out the specs for the Sikorsky H-92 Superhawk.  Very impressive medium sized utility helo, it's in the competition for the CSAR-X.   The Canadian Armed Forces is buying a bunch for their maritime helicopter fleet.

What model EC won the contract for the Presidential fleet?
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« Reply #20 on: July 03, 2006, 11:40:50 PM »
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What model EC won the contract for the Presidential fleet?
The president's new ride is a Lockheed Martin / Bell / Agusta-Westland venture deemed US101.  

Take a look: http://www.teamus101.com

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« Reply #21 on: July 05, 2006, 03:38:48 PM »
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What model EC won the contract for the Presidential fleet?
The president's new ride is a Lockheed Martin / Bell / Agusta-Westland venture deemed US101.  

Take a look: http://www.teamus101.com
Not bad.  Looks like a cheaper version of our entry for the CSAR-X contract.   Wink
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