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appropriate sentence
« on: December 13, 2012, 10:13:16 AM »
http://fredericksburg.com/News/FLS/2012/122012/12132012/742846?rss=local

since we don't have capital punishment for pedophiles
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Re: appropriate sentence
« Reply #1 on: December 13, 2012, 10:23:13 AM »
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...in his psychosexual evaluation, Hale showed no remorse and blamed everyone else, including the children.

*expletive deleted*ing sociopath.

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Re: appropriate sentence
« Reply #2 on: December 13, 2012, 10:48:30 AM »
judge beck isn't known as a hard judge. to get this from him this guy is real special
It is much more powerful to seek Truth for one's self.  Seeing and hearing that others seem to have found it can be a motivation.  With me, I was drawn because of much error and bad judgment on my part. Confronting one's own errors and bad judgment is a very life altering situation.  Confronting the errors and bad judgment of others is usually hypocrisy.


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Re: appropriate sentence
« Reply #3 on: December 13, 2012, 10:53:33 AM »
Pedophiles are cured 5 seconds after the first shovelful of dirt hits their coffin.
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Re: appropriate sentence
« Reply #4 on: December 13, 2012, 12:42:45 PM »
No Scout: it takes a bit longer than that.

And unfortunately, their victims will often never really heal...
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Re: appropriate sentence
« Reply #5 on: December 13, 2012, 02:22:06 PM »
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Montague-Holland noted that in his psychosexual evaluation, Hale showed no remorse and blamed everyone else, including the children.

Yeah, quoted above, but deserves to be hammered home.

I wish we still had the "at hard labor" sentences, so they could work this guy to a frazzle and maybe he could fall repeatedly on a sledge hammer or some such in the not too distant future. 
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Re: appropriate sentence
« Reply #6 on: December 13, 2012, 02:24:37 PM »

No Scout: it takes a bit longer than that.

And unfortunately, their victims will often never really heal...


While I will agree with "often," I will add that (for the rest) it doesn't have to be that way.  Sadly, it will likely be that way.

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Re: appropriate sentence
« Reply #7 on: December 13, 2012, 03:23:49 PM »
Depends on so many variables, there's no real way of knowing
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Re: appropriate sentence
« Reply #8 on: December 13, 2012, 03:29:55 PM »
Yeah, quoted above, but deserves to be hammered home.

I wish we still had the "at hard labor" sentences, so they could work this guy to a frazzle and maybe he could fall repeatedly on a sledge hammer or some such in the not too distant future. 

I am generally not all that supportive of the death sentence, but I am willing to live with the hypocrite label this time.
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Re: appropriate sentence
« Reply #9 on: December 13, 2012, 03:35:51 PM »
Boys and girls, I have sat across the table from robbers, killers, drug dealers, etc.  None frightened me as a human as much as the child molestors did.  They are smart.  They use those smarts to get what they want, and often do it in such a way that it's darned hard to prove they did anything.  The damage they cause is often immeasurable.  The denial of responsibility is classic.  I truly believe that the only way you fix that is with a bullet or some other fatal method, yet for some reason that's not an option...
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Re: appropriate sentence
« Reply #10 on: December 13, 2012, 06:59:57 PM »
Boys and girls, I have sat across the table from robbers, killers, drug dealers, etc.  None frightened me as a human as much as the child molestors did.  They are smart.  They use those smarts to get what they want, and often do it in such a way that it's darned hard to prove they did anything.  The damage they cause is often immeasurable.  The denial of responsibility is classic.  I truly believe that the only way you fix that is with a bullet or some other fatal method, yet for some reason that's not an option...

This ^.

For about 7 years I investigated child sexual abuse complaints in Spotsylvania County.  Some were "run of the mill" (as far as sexual abuse of children goes) pedos.  Some were pre- and teen boys caught up between rather normal sexual exploration and the emerging laws that made such a felony as opposed to a very long talk with parents/big brother (theirs or the girl's).

Then a few years later I was part of setting up and running a "rehabilitation" program in the state prison system targeting sexual abusers.

A few of the abusers were beings that made my skin crawl - and remember that it took me years to learn how to fake empathy in day-to-day social situations.  (I was the model for the exchange between Billy Crystal and Gregory Hinz in the movie "Running Scared" when they run down from the roof and look at the guy who just flew off, and then Crystal turns and asks "You wanna get lunch?  I'm craving pizza.")

But I am adamantly oppposed to the death penalty for pedos.  Life with no chance of parole can be excrutiatingly harsh when even the father-rapers and mother-stabbers treat you as the lowest of the low.  Guards will do what they are minimally required to do to keep pedos from being assaulted by other inmates - but there have been instances when that turned out to be not quite adequate.  Oh, well - stuff happens!

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Re: appropriate sentence
« Reply #11 on: December 13, 2012, 10:47:20 PM »
This ^.

For about 7 years I investigated child sexual abuse complaints in Spotsylvania County.  Some were "run of the mill" (as far as sexual abuse of children goes) pedos.  Some were pre- and teen boys caught up between rather normal sexual exploration and the emerging laws that made such a felony as opposed to a very long talk with parents/big brother (theirs or the girl's).

Then a few years later I was part of setting up and running a "rehabilitation" program in the state prison system targeting sexual abusers.

A few of the abusers were beings that made my skin crawl - and remember that it took me years to learn how to fake empathy in day-to-day social situations.  (I was the model for the exchange between Billy Crystal and Gregory Hinz in the movie "Running Scared" when they run down from the roof and look at the guy who just flew off, and then Crystal turns and asks "You wanna get lunch?  I'm craving pizza.")

But I am adamantly oppposed to the death penalty for pedos.  Life with no chance of parole can be excrutiatingly harsh when even the father-rapers and mother-stabbers treat you as the lowest of the low.  Guards will do what they are minimally required to do to keep pedos from being assaulted by other inmates - but there have been instances when that turned out to be not quite adequate.  Oh, well - stuff happens!

stay safe.

If we're going to kill creatures like this - and I have no problem at ALL with that notion, I'm pretty well convinced I could personally put a bullet in the head of a remorseless pedophile like the one referenced above and sleep quite soundly thereafter - then let's do it and have done with it. We owe it to OURSELVES not to become monsters, either by deliberately/"accidentally" causing a slow death, or by providing "adequate" security in general population. For all the grim jokes about falling up 5 flights of stairs, if it's not something we can legitimately and openly sentence a convict to, then we need to do a damn good job seeing that it doesn't happen.

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Re: appropriate sentence
« Reply #12 on: December 13, 2012, 11:26:06 PM »
If we're going to kill creatures like this - and I have no problem at ALL with that notion, I'm pretty well convinced I could personally put a bullet in the head of a remorseless pedophile like the one referenced above and sleep quite soundly thereafter - then let's do it and have done with it. We owe it to OURSELVES not to become monsters, either by deliberately/"accidentally" causing a slow death, or by providing "adequate" security in general population. For all the grim jokes about falling up 5 flights of stairs, if it's not something we can legitimately and openly sentence a convict to, then we need to do a damn good job seeing that it doesn't happen.

Reminds me of the story I read recently. A WW2 German fighter pilot was closing in a straggling B-17. When he got there he saw that it had already been torn up. One engine gone, 2 damaged, half of the elevator shot away, parts of the fuselage ripped open. The tail gunner was dead, and every other member of the crew was injured. The German could see the waist gunner trying to treat injuries, the nose section was shot up, the pilot of the bomber had only recently regained consciousness. Now, the German pilot could have shot them down. He was only one kill away from receiving the Knights Grand Cross... instead he formed up and tried to help direct the B-17 to safety, peeling away only when it looked like one of the gunners might try to take a shot at him. The bomber made it safely home and so did the German fighter.

When asked about why he let them go, the german pilot commented on something his commander had said to him at the beginning of the war. "Honor is everything. We do not have rules to fight by for them, we have those rules for ourselves, so that might be able to keep our humanity."

So, with that and the decision to execute him in mind we are now confronted with the how. For a while I figured just a massive push of diacetylmorphine, but it seems rather perverse in my mind that we kill someone under such euphoric circumstances when they've brought nothing but horror to others. Then as the pendulum swings the other way we get the methods that are arguably vindictive and like that German pilot, we should shy away from, not for the sake of the criminal, but for the sake of our own humanity. To that end, I suggest nitrogen asphyxiation.

The short of it is, you simply remove the oxygen from air the condemned is breathing, either by purging the room with straight nitrogen, or switching his gas mask over from normal air to just nitrogen. There is no noticeable change to the air the condemned is breathing so no aggravating stressors to cause sudden panic and anxiety. There is no air-hunger that is triggered by a build up of CO2 in the blood because they keep breathing normally. Pretty much the prisoner sits down in a room, door closes, and it really doesn't have to be particularly gas tight door like the cyanide chambers, and at some point the air feed is switched. After a few minutes the oxygen has been fully displaced and the condemned simply falls unconcious from hypoxia (an event noted by some high altitude pilots to be sudden, without warning, or duress) and then eventually dies. Unlike the cyanide gas method, all you have to do is ventilate the room with clean air and it's safe to enter again.

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Re: appropriate sentence
« Reply #13 on: December 14, 2012, 12:24:06 AM »
I'm good with that.

Although like Eric, I could pull the trigger, throw the switch or push the plunger and sleep well that night.
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Re: appropriate sentence
« Reply #14 on: December 14, 2012, 01:30:55 AM »
An appropriate sentence?

Something along the lines of:

I hereby sentence you to death, you will be taken from this courtroom to a place of execution where you will be hanged by the neck until dead.

Maybe a little bit of run on and my grammar is a bit rusty but it works for me.
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Re: appropriate sentence
« Reply #15 on: December 14, 2012, 09:15:38 AM »
I agree with Eric and KGBSquirrel. Straying from honor reduces us to being not much better than the predator we're punishing. Pedofiles should die and I have no particular problem with it being a painful death if that's what we as a people have decided is the current method. But we need to hold ourselves above the muck or we're no better.

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Re: appropriate sentence
« Reply #16 on: December 14, 2012, 09:30:13 AM »
One of the real reasons that I believe in capital punishment for serial child molestors is that real life sentences are increasingly rare.  There are organizations which do nothing more than go to prisons, talk to inmates, and initiate litigation on behalf of the inmates seeking to have the sentences overturned, communted, etc.  If you think eye-witness testimony is unrelable by the time of trial, imagine what its like after 5-10 years have passed.  Yet this "newly discovered" evidence is often cited as a basis for reversing convictions.  As I don't believe that it's possible to fix the problem, you're turning a predator loose in a world full of targets.  Or, frankly, these dirtbags get a sentence less than life, do their time, and walk away.  Saw that happen recently around here, where a kid I sentenced to the max on a Gross Sexual Iposition charge (third degree felony, five years) walked out after the five years and recently was caught doing it again.
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Re: appropriate sentence
« Reply #17 on: December 14, 2012, 10:10:03 AM »
Huh, I typed that up last night while I was pretty loopy from the ambien. Glad to see it came out relatively coherent.  :P