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« on: January 03, 2013, 06:06:12 PM »
just watched a show on this plane.  that was a wild one
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Re: xb 70
« Reply #1 on: January 03, 2013, 06:30:37 PM »
Definitely ranks among the most audacious aircraft ever and scared the *expletive deleted*it out of the Soviets.

I wish they had put it in service...
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Re: xb 70
« Reply #2 on: January 03, 2013, 06:32:13 PM »
just watched a show on this plane.  that was a wild one


I just read on Wikipedia about the plumber's wrench. That was mildly interesting.
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Re: xb 70
« Reply #3 on: January 03, 2013, 06:51:08 PM »
Definitely ranks among the most audacious aircraft ever and scared the *expletive deleted* out of the Soviets.

I wish they had put it in service...

me too. it would be a hoot to see one today
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Re: xb 70
« Reply #4 on: January 03, 2013, 07:10:07 PM »
There is at least one in existence. I think it is in the Air Force museum in OH.
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Re: xb 70
« Reply #5 on: January 03, 2013, 07:30:38 PM »
Yup.  Wright-Patterson (Dayton, OH)

Sole surviving example after the other one collided with chase planes.
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Re: xb 70
« Reply #6 on: January 03, 2013, 07:31:00 PM »
There is at least one in existence. I think it is in the Air Force museum in OH.

yea just one  the other augered in after a mid air

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Re: xb 70
« Reply #7 on: January 03, 2013, 09:02:35 PM »
yea just one  the other augered in after a mid air

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And the really awesome fully-encapsulating ejection seats (designed for high supersonic use) saved one of the pilots despite the parachute not properly deploying.

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Re: xb 70
« Reply #8 on: January 03, 2013, 09:06:19 PM »
Definitely ranks among the most audacious aircraft ever and scared the *expletive deleted* out of the Soviets.

I wish they had put it in service...

Not sure how true it is, but IIRC, it's been said the XB-70 inspired the entire MiG-25 project, and the whole "Sustained Mach III, although the engine has to be replaced afterward"-capabilitythat one can either view as a "feature" or a liability, depending on one's point of view.

Makes me wonder if we couldn't have "Reaganed out" the USSR a decade earlier if we'd kept up with such things.
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Re: xb 70
« Reply #9 on: January 03, 2013, 09:21:37 PM »
Yup.  Wright-Patterson (Dayton, OH)

Sole surviving example after the other one collided with chase planes.

Yep, it use to be in the main collection but now it is in one of the two on base hangers.  I have walked around it, pretty cool and it just looks fast even sitting still.

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Re: xb 70
« Reply #10 on: January 03, 2013, 11:46:06 PM »
Not sure how true it is, but IIRC, it's been said the XB-70 inspired the entire MiG-25 project, and the whole "Sustained Mach III, although the engine has to be replaced afterward"-capabilitythat one can either view as a "feature" or a liability, depending on one's point of view.

Makes me wonder if we couldn't have "Reaganed out" the USSR a decade earlier if we'd kept up with such things.

Yes, I've heard that too.  Except the Russians kept the MiG-25 project going.  In the mid 1970s Russian MiG-25 pilot Victor Belenko defected from the USSR with a example of this plane, landing it at a Japanese airport.  Our intel guys went over it with a fine tooth comb and debriefed Belenko.
What we found included the fact that:
1.) The MiG-25, while developed to counter the B-70 Valkyrie, would have never been actually capable of intercepting one.
2.)  Could not out dogfight the then 20 year old F-4 Phantom.
3.)  Had radar & avionics powered by vacuum tubes.  Although crude by American standards, it could "burn through" much of the electronic countermeasures then available.  It was so powerful it killed rabbits & small fauna on the runway ahead of the plane, prompting one tree-hugging bunny-lover Russian General to order his pilots to keep the radar off until they were airborne.
4.) Could fly above Mach 3 speeds but only through the sacrifice of its enormous Tumansky engines, and then only at high altitude where friction would not melt the fuselage.

The B-70 Valkyrie was a fascinating aircraft in itself.  One serendipotus effect was the fact that due to its configuration, interference patterns that would normally cause drag and slow down an aircraft, actually helped accelerate the B-70.
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Re: xb 70
« Reply #11 on: January 04, 2013, 12:59:37 AM »
Well, the previous knowledge of the B-58 hustler and  whatever Intel they had on the B-1 etc. probably was sufficient justification for keeping the MiG-25 anyway.

And perhaps some vague hope that a MiG,25+missile might just catch whatever it was they knew of the SR-71/A-12 from radar.
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Re: xb 70
« Reply #12 on: January 04, 2013, 01:28:11 AM »
I can remember reading an article about the XB70 crash in a copy of "Boys Life" way back when. I also saw the remaining one at Wright-Pat during a transfer from PA to CA, I made sure that the AF museum was in the line of travel. I need to go back there some day, I understand a lot of improvements have been made since the mid 80's.

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