Incorporated Municipalities: Ownership/dealing in firearms without FFL?

[AZRedhawk44]

http://capwiz.com/azcdl/issues/alert/?alertid=62475171

AZ Citizens' Defense League (AZCDL) is trying to get this pushed through the State legislature.

Basically, it says that guns acquired by local government in buy back programs cannot be destroyed and must be sold through authorized distributors.

Question:

How is a local government authorized to buy guns via a "buy back" when they are then mandated by law (if this bill passes) to then sell them immediately to a distributor for re-sale?  Wouldn't that be dealing in firearms, according to most ATF logic?  Just like the private party guys at gun shows with a cyclical collection of hundreds of firearms?

Cities would then need FFL's to engage in buy-back programs, right?

[vaskidmark]

Several states have similar laws already in effect.  Basically law enforcement does not need FFL status to buy guns off the streeet and does not need FFL status to send surplus inventory to a distributor who then resells to FFLs who sell to you.

Often there is one "big" retailer who handles the sale of surplus guns, including the buy-back guns.  It can take some hunting around to find them.  Generally there are no real deals.

stay safe.

[AZRedhawk44]

Several states have similar laws already in effect.  Basically law enforcement does not need FFL status to buy guns off the streeet and does not need FFL status to send surplus inventory to a distributor who then resells to FFLs who sell to you.

Often there is one "big" retailer who handles the sale of surplus guns, including the buy-back guns.  It can take some hunting around to find them.  Generally there are no real deals.

stay safe.

How does a State have authority to permit a sub-government to be recused from Federal law?  Where is that authority derived?

Is there some piece of USC or ATF regulation pertaining to FFL's that exempts States and duly empowered sub-governments of States, to engage in arms commerce without an FFL or bound log book?

[roo_ster]

How does a State have authority to permit a sub-government to be recused from Federal law?  Where is that authority derived?

Is there some piece of USC or ATF regulation pertaining to FFL's that exempts States and duly empowered sub-governments of States, to engage in arms commerce without an FFL or bound log book?

It is the "If you are against the RKBA you can do what you want and we won't hassle you." provision in the 1934 NFA.  Just ask Bloomberg, David Gregory, and all those gun buy-backers.

Silly citizen subject!  Don;t you know the Right People have liberties you do not?

[vaskidmark]

http://www.atf.gov/regulations-rulings/rulings/atf-rulings/atf-ruling-80-8.pdf

This was given to me by the local PD armorer to explain how they get & get rid of guns.  Since they do not do "buy-backs" he has never had to apply it.

stay safe.