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Peace officers?
« on: May 24, 2013, 11:10:52 AM »
Before APS, I don't recall hearing the term "peace officer." Even then, it seems people only use it when they're saying that we used to have peace officers, and people called them peace officers; now we have police, and a police state.

Some sources I have found online say that "peace officer" is a broader category that includes corrections officers, game wardens, police, bailiffs, etc. Some say it is like a police officer, but with less authority.

Does anyone have credible info on what these different terms mean, or how one type of "officer" differs from another?
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Re: Peace officers?
« Reply #1 on: May 24, 2013, 11:51:26 AM »
Peace officers in Texas are explicitly defined in the Texas Code of Criminal Procedure, section 2.12.

Link:   http://law.onecle.com/texas/criminal-procedure/2.12.00.html

It's a lengthy list, but it includes those you'd expect (sheriffs, their deputies, constables, deputy constables, marshals or police officers of an incorporated city,
town, or village, rangers etc.) but also some that you wouldn't initially expect to be included. (members of an arson investigating unit commissioned
by a city, a county, or the state, investigators commissioned by the Texas State Board of Medical Examiners; investigators employed by the Texas Racing Commission; officers commissioned by the State Board of Dental Examiners, etc.)
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Re: Peace officers?
« Reply #2 on: May 24, 2013, 11:52:12 AM »
Andy was a peace officer, Barney was a law enforcement officer.

Inspector Javert was a LEO taken to the extreme, without the context of a folksy feel-good comedy.  (and look what it got him)
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Re: Peace officers?
« Reply #3 on: May 24, 2013, 12:16:02 PM »
Inspector Javert was a LEO taken to the extreme, without the context of a folksy feel-good comedy.  (and look what it got him)

Not a comedy. (Ah, I see that was what you were saying. My mistake!)
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Re: Peace officers?
« Reply #4 on: May 24, 2013, 12:57:58 PM »
I've never seen those proposed as formalized categories that use those specific terms. Merely descriptors as regards mindset.
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Re: Peace officers?
« Reply #5 on: May 24, 2013, 01:01:35 PM »
Andy was a peace officer, Barney was a law enforcement officer.

Inspector Javert was a LEO taken to the extreme, without the context of a folksy feel-good comedy.  (and look what it got him)

What was Lt. Philip Gerard?  [tinfoil] :police: [popcorn] ;/
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Re: Peace officers?
« Reply #6 on: May 24, 2013, 01:38:24 PM »
I've never seen those proposed as formalized categories that use those specific terms. Merely descriptors as regards mindset.

This. One third nostalgia for the "good ol days" (that didn't really exist, racism, sexism, brutality expected, and unreported), one third common-law/libertarianish desire for police that enforce the "spirit of the law" and/or ignore picayune/foolish laws a.k.a. "keeping the peace" over "law enforcement", one third gold-fringe admiralty flag whining.

99.5% of the time, I've gotten "peace officer" treatment by being polite, friendly, and helpful, and showing some empathy/understanding that they have to deal with humanity at its worst 40 hours a week, bad people being bad people, and good people being upset victims, or annoyed and angry when being charged with the lower level civil forfietures. No surrendering of constitutional rights required.

The 00.5% I've gotten "law enforcement" treatment, it was incidental, and not very significant. Not that I don't know people on this very board who've gotten "law enforcement" treatment over "peace officer" full-bore, sans lube.  =| So I am always wary.

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Re: Peace officers?
« Reply #7 on: May 24, 2013, 03:36:38 PM »
Oh, yeah - the good old days ain't what they used to be  ;) but ...

Seems like there used to be more of an attitude of "if you ain't bothering nobody then leave you alone."  Now it's more like "seeking violations."   =(

(and yeah some of the bad folks used to get knocked around some)

I'm sure there's a lot of good officers of the law around, but institutionally it has gotten worse in my observation.  For instance we live in a small county, but I see the local sheriff more concerned with patrolling the main highway for ticketing than providing general protection to persons and property.  They never patrol the back roads unless they have a call to come out here for something.  There are two highways, one going N-S and the other going E-W which basically split the county into four quadrants like a Cartesian plane with the county seat right at the crossroads.  It would be easy to cut through from Highway West to Highway South on county roads once a week or so but they never do that.  They just turn around at the county line and drive back towards town.

Maybe I should just be glad that they leave us alone  :lol:
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Re: Peace officers?
« Reply #8 on: May 25, 2013, 07:42:08 AM »
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Re: Peace officers?
« Reply #9 on: May 25, 2013, 10:09:04 AM »
I don't know when I started hearing the term "law enforcement" but I sure didn't hear it as a kid.

It was "police", "cop", "sheriff", or "peace officer."
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Re: Peace officers?
« Reply #10 on: May 25, 2013, 10:29:37 AM »
ADAM 12 was about peace officers......

nu-HAWAII FIVE-0 is about law enforcement officers....
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Re: Peace officers?
« Reply #11 on: May 25, 2013, 03:22:15 PM »
I recall some technical discussion where in Illinois many levels of state gov't agent and political office are considered offices or officers of the peace. At least in Illinois, these gov't people have some police powers (such as concealed carry) but are in no way shape or form trained police officers. They do have arresting powers too, but I think it is limited to special circumstances; especially since improper arrests by untrained officials could lead to evidence being thrown out.
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Re: Peace officers?
« Reply #12 on: May 25, 2013, 03:38:24 PM »
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It was "police", "cop", "sheriff", or "peace officer."

I'm old enough to remember young punks calling them "coppers". ;)

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Re: Peace officers?
« Reply #13 on: May 25, 2013, 04:34:55 PM »
I don't know when I started hearing the term "law enforcement" but I sure didn't hear it as a kid.

It was "police", "cop", "sheriff", or "peace officer."


I was born in '76, so I can't speak from experience, but I would guess that's really just a change in the kind of language people use. Did people talk about "health care providers," or did they just say "doctors"? Did they say "automotive technician," or did they say "mechanic"?
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« Reply #14 on: May 26, 2013, 10:53:46 AM »
I'm old enough to remember young punks calling them "coppers". ;)

A very common term was "pigs" but I left that one out  ;)



I was born in '76, so I can't speak from experience, but I would guess that's really just a change in the kind of language people use. Did people talk about "health care providers," or did they just say "doctors"? Did they say "automotive technician," or did they say "mechanic"?

I'm not very good with words.  I don't use em much.
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Re: Peace officers?
« Reply #15 on: May 26, 2013, 11:55:57 AM »
I'm not very good with words.  I don't use em much.

Just keep on grunting and howling.  We're pretty much used to it.   :lol:
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« Reply #16 on: May 26, 2013, 12:38:22 PM »
This is an interesting topic.  I had a strong interest in becoming a cop shortly after college, but without any prior military experience, my degree was pretty much worthless.  I discovered that the military was a better fit to scratch that itch for adventure (because for me, I primarily wanted an adventurous job), so I began to focus on my military career and I've been trying to find a full time Guard job for years.

Lately though, since budget cuts have made that goal increasingly difficult, I've considered law enforcement again, though now, 13 years later, my idea of the kind of job I'd want is quite different.  The concept of a peace officer, idealistic or not, is more appealing.  I don't want to arrest people for small amounts of marijuana, for example, and I loathe the idea of pulling people over for minor safety violations, especially to fish for another offense.  So unless I found exactly the right department, I might not be a cop for very long.

I'm also pretty firmly turned off by the militarization of police.  I was in the Infantry, I don't need that kind of environment while protecting the public.  I'd like a carbine in my cruiser but that's about the extent of it.  I also don't think I should have to attend a full academy; just teach me the laws I may need to enforce, how to work a taser, and how to drive like a stud and I'll be good.  I already have OC spray, baton, firearms, I'm already in good physical condition, and I'm already disciplined.  At 36 years old, I don't need to be broken down and rebuilt as a new man.  The Army already did that once.

Since I doubt I'll ever find a job like that, I'll just stick with the Guard.  Better to stick with an eight-year career and go full time with it than start over entirely.  Though the job I've described does sound appealing, it may only be a fantasy.
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