Ohio-Arizona CCW detail

[zahc]

I got an Arizona permit in addition to my TX resident permit, because I was told that AZ gives you just as many states as FL only it's faster and cheaper. However, that is wrong, because actually Ohio only accepts RESIDENT permits from AZ. Many online CCW reciprocity maps are WRONG and show that the AZ nonresident permit lets you carry legally in Ohio, but the Ohio AG has stated that AZ nonresident permits are not accepted--the only state for which the resident permits are accepted but not nonresident ones.

[Ben]

I got an Arizona permit in addition to my TX resident permit, because I was told that AZ gives you just as many states as FL only it's faster and cheaper. However, that is wrong, because actually Ohio only accepts RESIDENT permits from AZ. Many online CCW reciprocity maps are WRONG and show that the AZ nonresident permit lets you carry legally in Ohio, but the Ohio AG has stated that AZ nonresident permits are not accepted--the only state for which the resident permits are accepted but not nonresident ones.

Back when I got my AZ permit, I believe I asked for a non-resident application and the officer told me that there are no non-resident AZ permits. They simply issue the same permit to everyone. Your address may be non-resident, but it is the same permit as residents get. Maybe OH is confusing that?

[zahc]

No, the language in the reciprocity agreement specifically has language about "residents of the state", so it's not actually about the permit, but about your residency status in AZ. If you are not an AZ resident, Ohio does not recognize your AZ permit.

Apparently AZ is the only state with such language in the reciprocity agreement and nobody is sure if it was included intentionally or 'just because'.

[Scout26]

Virginia is a fairly easy one to get as well.  $100 for four or five years, that with AZ gets you just about as many as FL or Utah.

And WTF PA?  Not honoring VA, FL, AZ and few other non-res permits.  This after terminating the LTC by mail program.  Bastages.   So AZ isn't the only state with that word/language in it's agreements.  PA just redid theirs and not they say "resident".

Very cool, but read the caveats and warnings.
http://www.handgunlaw.us/states/CreateAMapNotice.pdf

[230RN]

Colorado doesn't recognize other states' non-resident permits either.  They changed that a couple of years ago when CO started to turn blue.  At the time I was going to get a Utah nonresident permit and keep it around in case I lost my wallet or my Colorado permit got destroyed somehow.  This  new law screwed up my idea for a backup permit until a new CO permit could be issued.

What really ticked me off about the whole thing was the attitude of so many Colorado permittees that since it didn't affect them, very little fuss was raised about it.

First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out—
because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—
because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—
because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me—
and there was no one left to speak out for me.

Nibble, nibble, nibble.

Terry, 230RN

REF:
http://www.goodreads.com/quotes/18468-first-they-came-for-the-communists-and-i-did-not

[Hawkmoon]

Apparently AZ is the only state with such language in the reciprocity agreement and nobody is sure if it was included intentionally or 'just because'.

Arizona is NOT the only state with that in the reciprocity agreement. The PA AG is revising most of PA's reciprocity agreements to cover only residents of the issuing state. She has already done so with FL and AZ, and we expect UT to fall next.

[zahc]

What i meant was, regarding reciprocity with Ohio, AZ is the only state for which Ohio does not accept the permit if it's nonresident. All of Ohio's other reciprocity agreements are valid for both resident and nonresident foreign permits, except AZ.

[Scout26]

Arizona is NOT the only state with that in the reciprocity agreement. The PA AG is revising most of PA's reciprocity agreements to cover only residents of the issuing state. She has already done so with FL and AZ, and we expect UT to fall next.

Let me guess.  She's a Democrat?

[230RN]

<aside>
Don'cha just hate it when states copycat each others' laws?  I think this is borne of the "Career Politician" syndrome, where politicians have to "do something" to justify their re-elections, so they grab laws from other states and introduce copied versions.  "It passed in XYZ, so why not here in UVW-land?"

Just so they could point to it as an "accomplishment" for their constituents.

Same thing happens with large cities and their suburban satellite cities.  The little towns surrounding the Big Burg often have identical laws and ordinances as the Big Burg --good or bad.

"Well, XYZ doesn't allow out-of-state nonresident permits, why shouldn't we here in UVW-land ban them, too?"

I've often dreamed thusly....

(1) We should have absolute term limits of two three-year terms, even for dog catchers.  This would allow them to learn some of the good "ropes" in their first term, and apply them in their second term, without giving them time to catch on to the bad "ropes" --like generating porkbelly laws.

(2)  Every law ought to have an expiration date not to exceed 5 years.  This would keep them so busy re-passing old good laws that they won't have time to pass new bad ones.  In addition, the boredom associated with this re-passing would discourage anyone from actually seeking politics as a career.

(3)  With any new law that is proposed it should be required that two old laws be repealed before passage of the new one is allowed.

(4)  The Committee system of reviewing bills before submitting them to the floor should be abolished.  Any new bills should be submitted to the floor directly without recommendation or approval by any Committee, since (A) Committees were set up to save time, and the object here is to not save time for the Legislative body, see Point 2 above; and (B) Committees concentrate power in the hands of a few "old timers" in the Legislative body, see Point 1.

(5)  Legislative sessions should be limited to ten days... preferably over national 3-day holiday weekends, so we have time to keep a close eye on them.

I like good dreams.

</aside>

Terry de Tocqueville, 230RN  

[Matthew Carberry]

Arizona is NOT the only state with that in the reciprocity agreement. The PA AG is revising most of PA's reciprocity agreements to cover only residents of the issuing state. She has already done so with FL and AZ, and we expect UT to fall next.

Over at "Shall Not Be Questioned" (PAgunblog.com) I seem to recall Sebastian noting that one of the non-res permit states Utah(?) has reciprocity by statute and the AG doesn't have the authority to change it, that she's going through all the ones she can though.