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Stetson

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More of Colorado is on fire.
« on: June 21, 2013, 03:02:28 PM »
http://gazette.com/wildfire-roundup-crews-say-town-of-south-fork-likely-to-be-consumed-by-blaze/article/1502587

The town of South Fork, CO is going to be destroyed by the fire out there unless something miraculous happens.


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Re: More of Colorado is on fire.
« Reply #1 on: June 21, 2013, 03:50:49 PM »
Crap  =(

We were just down in Monte Vista last fall.
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Re: More of Colorado is on fire.
« Reply #2 on: June 21, 2013, 08:46:51 PM »
Holy Crap!

Tallpine, you'll want to see these

http://www.krdo.com/news/-/417220/20667578/-/t8f52rz/-/index.html

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Re: More of Colorado is on fire.
« Reply #3 on: June 22, 2013, 05:26:10 AM »
Well, it appears that when the Gates of Hell swing wide open most folks are going to stop in their tracks and take pictures of the sight.

Like there's going to be anybody else around to show them to?

Has the nanny state's over-reaching, all-encompasing presence finally overcome the lizard brain's "fight or flight" response, and nobody will do anything like get out of the way of the apocolypse until The Emergency Broadcasting System announces instructions?

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Re: More of Colorado is on fire.
« Reply #4 on: June 22, 2013, 09:07:15 AM »
Holy Crap!

Tallpine, you'll want to see these

http://www.krdo.com/news/-/417220/20667578/-/t8f52rz/-/index.html

I think picture #9 is in Monte Vista  =|

That's more extreme fire behavior than we had here last year.  :O

Those two little cricks ain't gonna stop it  =(
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Re: More of Colorado is on fire.
« Reply #5 on: June 22, 2013, 10:32:02 AM »
Well, it appears that when the Gates of Hell swing wide open most folks are going to stop in their tracks and take pictures of the sight.

Like there's going to be anybody else around to show them to?

Has the nanny state's over-reaching, all-encompasing presence finally overcome the lizard brain's "fight or flight" response, and nobody will do anything like get out of the way of the apocolypse until The Emergency Broadcasting System announces instructions?

stay safe.

Nanny state caused most of this.  They decided to not allow firewood cuttiing, brush clearing or anything else like that.  There is nice dry fuel just laying around waiting for something to happen.

The people getting the pictures choose to be there, they are reporters.  However, they have these neat things for cameras now days called zoom lenses.  You can take a picture that looks like you are close to the subject when you are actually far away.

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Re: More of Colorado is on fire.
« Reply #6 on: June 22, 2013, 10:45:55 AM »
Nanny state caused most of this.  They decided to not allow firewood cuttiing, brush clearing or anything else like that.  There is nice dry fuel just laying around waiting for something to happen.

The people getting the pictures choose to be there, they are reporters.  However, they have these neat things for cameras now days called zoom lenses.  You can take a picture that looks like you are close to the subject when you are actually far away.

Yeah, the enviromentalists protest even the cutting of bug or fire killed trees, because it would be "descrating their dead bodies"  ;/  :facepalm:

If they can just delay the project long enough, the wood has rotted and has no value.  They hate the loggers who pay to thin the forest, but the fed.gov does not have* enough money to treat more than a few acres per year.  At the rate it is going, they are losing ground.

Meanwhile millions more trees die because the fuel wasn't removed.


* or allocated - we have plenty of money for welfare mommies and foreign military adventures
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Re: More of Colorado is on fire.
« Reply #7 on: June 22, 2013, 03:50:48 PM »
When you see this

or this

in your viewfinder it is time to go.  I don't care how much zoom you've got with your lens.

Seeing those photos reminds me of just how much courage wildfire fighters have, especiaslly considering how high up on the list of fears burning to death is.

http://www.experienceproject.com/question-answer/Which-Form-Of-Death-Do-You-Fear-More:-Burning-To-Death-Or-Drowning/328795

Back in 1965 I was supposed to be learning Forest Management at NC State, instead of dating an excommuicated nun.  (Long story.)  Back then they were extolling the management practices of the European forresters, especially the way they kept the underbrush and deadfall controlled.  Heck, they werre even touting controlled burns to prevent the accumulation of fuel.  Sadly, I valued dating the excommunicated nun over attending classes and getting a degree and going to work in forest management.  Had I changed my priorities the policies we are currently laboring under might be vastly different.  (Yeah, right!)

stay safe.
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Re: More of Colorado is on fire.
« Reply #8 on: June 22, 2013, 04:41:24 PM »
When you get out in front of something like that, you weigh your decisions very carefully.  You can survive if you have a decent little space with short grass between the trees.  Our little mostly geriatric band of volunteers did it last year about this time.  It's a bit of a gulp once you know that you're committed and the fire is going to burn over and all around you.  It's too late to get out and it's sort of interesting to see if you're going to survive.

Fortunately our local chief had worked on some fed fires and had seen the elephant, so we relied on him to judge whether we could shelter in place.

We (2 of us with a brush engine and 200 gallons of water) had gotten all set up at a residence when the county sheriff came by in a panic and screamed that EVERYBODY had to get out of the canyon right now!  We just stood there and told him he needed to talk to our chief  ;/


The fire at South Fork looks like it's burning a lot hotter than even the one we had here last June.  But the trees are a lot taller in Colorado than this prairie Ponderosa.

Last word on the news is that they think that they're going to save the town of South Fork.
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Re: More of Colorado is on fire.
« Reply #9 on: June 22, 2013, 06:26:31 PM »
When you see this
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or this
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in your viewfinder it is time to go.  I don't care how much zoom you've got with your lens.

Just curious, but how close do you think the fire is to the photographer in this image?


(right click -> view image to embiggen)
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Re: More of Colorado is on fire.
« Reply #10 on: June 22, 2013, 09:47:47 PM »
Hard to say with no real perspective to work with.

Would you settle for "close"?

stay safe.
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Re: More of Colorado is on fire.
« Reply #11 on: June 22, 2013, 10:47:01 PM »
Hard to say with no real perspective to work with.

Would you settle for "close"?

stay safe.

Do you consider 30 miles to be close?

Took that off my parent's back porch. Fire was all the way down on the other side of the valley. There was no danger of it coming close to town.

Point is, its really hard to tell from a photograph of large wildfire exactly how close it is. Zoom lenses and other photography tricks (that picture is a 10 second exposure + some contrast enhancements) can make look a lot bigger and closer than it is. A lot of what looks like flame is actually light being reflected off the smoke clouds. Likely, those in the article are from a good 5 miles away, which is generally plenty of buffer space, provided you don't sit around and let it cut off your escape routes as it comes in closer.
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Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves. - William Pitt the Younger

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