Overseas US drone strikes that kill US citizens

[AZRedhawk44]

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2013/07/19/197159/judge-torn-over-lawsuit-in-drone.html


Judge says:

A Republican-appointed judge sounded dubious about the expansive claim, saying she was “really troubled” by assertions that courts are completely shut out of the drone strike debate. But for other legal reasons, the judge also sounded hesitant about a lawsuit targeted at top military and intelligence officials for violating the constitutional rights of U.S. citizens blown up in foreign lands.

“There are instances where wrongs are done, but for one reason or another they cannot be remedied in a civil suit,” U.S. District Court Judge Rosemary M. Collyer said.

I wonder if she is possibly referring to Andrew Jackson's mother's words?

http://www.artofmanliness.com/trunk/1864/the-advice-andrew-jacksons-mother-gave-him-before-she-died/

Andrew, if I should not see you again, I wish you to remember and treasure up some things I have already said to you: in this world you will have to make your own way. To do that you must have friends. You can make friends by being honest, and you can keep them by being steadfast. You must keep in mind that friends worth having will in the long run expect as much from you as they give to you. To forget an obligation or be ungrateful for a kindness is a base crime-not merely a fault or a sin, but an actual crime. Men guilty of it sooner or later must suffer the penalty. In personal conduct be always polite but never obsequious. None will respect you more than you respect yourself. Avoid quarrels as long as you can without yielding to imposition. But sustain your manhood always. Never bring a suit in law for assault and battery or for defamation. The law affords no remedy for such outrages that can satisfy the feelings of a true man. Never wound the feelings of others. Never brook wanton outrage upon your own feelings. If you ever have to vindicate your feelings or defend your honor, do it calmly. If angry at first, wait until your wrath cools before you proceed.

Elizabeth Jackson might have added "murder" to the a&b and defamation list if she ever considered that the State was incapable of prosecuting and people were weak-livered enough to want to sue in civil court over murder.

Where the hell else do you get lawful redress of grievances except in court?  Obviously the State is failing to prosecute itself in criminal court.  All that's left is civil court.

[RoadKingLarry]

 

All that's left is civil court.

For now, for now...

[Gowen]

Careful RKL, you can get this thread locked so fast it'll make fistful spin.  Its like fight club, nuff said.

[RoadKingLarry]

Careful RKL, you can get this thread locked so fast it'll make fistful spin.  Its like fight club, nuff said.

There, I added a  so everyone will know I'm just kidding.   

[AZRedhawk44]

Nowadays, even a "lol; jk" isn't enough to recuse a suggestion of three esses.

[Levant]

I read Larry's post as meaning that from the civil courts we might eventually lead into a criminal court or congressional action.  I guess I'm naive.  I didn't see anything suggesting illegal activity in what he said.

That said, the real thing I want to respond with here is that the federal government has no authority to use drones to kill any targeted individual anywhere in the world - not in the US and not outside of the US.

The United States Constitution defined, created, and empowered the US government.  Outside of power granted in the Constitution the US government does not exist.  When individuals or agencies that happen to be part of government behave outside of the Constitution then they are acting as rogues and need to be criminally prosecuted.  Onshore or offshore, the Constitution enables and limits the US government.  Natural born citizen or illegal immigrant, the Constitution enables and limits the US Government.  There are no exceptions based on a person's birth place or location in the world.  All dealings by the government, no matter with whom or about what, must be within the confines of authority granted in the Constitution.

[gunsmith]

Nowadays, even a "lol; jk" isn't enough to recuse a suggestion of three esses.

yup, some teen made a joke online in Tx and is now facing felonies

[Ron]

That said, the real thing I want to respond with here is that the federal government has no authority to use drones to kill any targeted individual anywhere in the world - not in the US and not outside of the US.

The United States Constitution defined, created, and empowered the US government.  Outside of power granted in the Constitution the US government does not exist.  When individuals or agencies that happen to be part of government behave outside of the Constitution then they are acting as rogues and need to be criminally prosecuted.  Onshore or offshore, the Constitution enables and limits the US government.  Natural born citizen or illegal immigrant, the Constitution enables and limits the US Government.  There are no exceptions based on a person's birth place or location in the world.  All dealings by the government, no matter with whom or about what, must be within the confines of authority granted in the Constitution.

What a quaint notion.

[Scout26]

I fail to see the problem with first holding a (public) trial In Absentia first.    Then the legal "I"s are crossed and the "T"s dotted. 

[tokugawa]

Any guesses on how soon they arm the domestic drones?
 
 They are already armed.
 Within a year.
 5 years.
Ten years or more.

[Fitz]

Since we can't even get approval to use them for border operations without sucking the FAA off, I'd say its a ways off

[RoadKingLarry]

Any guesses on how soon they arm the domestic drones?
 
 They are already armed.
 Within a year.
 5 years.
Ten years or more.

Probably already armed, at least some of them. Might explain the recent rash of "NG explosions"

Since we can't even get approval to use them for border operations without sucking the FAA off, I'd say its a ways off

See above, all the drones are tied up doing domestic work.

[Fitz]

Lol

K