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Reprint here: A Citizen's Take on Syria - Soapbox 09/02/13
« on: September 02, 2013, 02:25:06 PM »
A Citizen's Take on Syria - Soapbox 09/02/13

In my soon to be 77 years as a citizen of the United States of America, having lived through Japan's sneak attack on Pearl Harbor, the dark days of WWII, Korea, Vietnam, Watergate, 9/11 and all the other serious and profound events our beloved nation has been involved in over the last three quarters of a century, I have to say with all sincerity that I have never seen a president as confused, befuddled, impotent, insincere and as out of his depth as Barack Obama has become in dealing with the Syrian issue.

When you're the leader of the free world, you don't make statements you can't back up and you don't draw lines in the sand, watch your enemies cross them with impunity and go off and play a round of golf.

Obama painted himself and the nation into a corner with his “red line” statement and I truly believe he thought he would have unilateral international and domestic support only to find himself standing alone in the spotlight with egg on his face and a ticking political time bomb in his hand.

I don't believe he ever had any intention of going through Congress and only decided to do so when he was left without the support of traditional allies and the disdain of a war weary American public who have begun to feel that America cannot be the international police force who has to bear the brunt of every catastrophe.

I think Obama is taking the vote for military authorization to Congress to bail himself out, to buy some time, somebody to share the blame if all goes wrong. Obama had already positioned war ships. All that was left to do was give the order to fire the missiles and at the 11th hour, after being rejected by the British parliament and put off by the French, he started having second thoughts and reached for the life preserver.

I, for one, am glad that Obama - for whatever reason - political expediency notwithstanding, did not facilitate the missile attack as it would have been largely symbolic and cosmetic and as he had given Assad enough warning to move the weapons out of harms way would have done little if anything to rid the world of chemical weapons.

It's not that I think nothing should be done about weapons of mass destruction no matter where they're used in the world, but I believe it's not just the responsibility of the United States to enforce international law. If the civilized nations of the world shirk this duty, why should they think America should take on the job by itself?

America has done enough "sending signals", symbolic gestures, getting involved in situations that don't threaten our national interests or that of our allies.

America's leaders should guard their tongues well and not issue spur of the moment reactions and empty threats. Our bite should be a lot worse than our bark and a presidential warning should be a dire and solemn caution, issued only once and followed up with swift and decisive action, not some half-baked puff of bravado that nobody really takes seriously.

What little bit of credibility America had in the Middle East just went out the window Friday afternoon, as a president who let his ego overload his common sense backed down from a tin horned dictator of a third world country, or at least that's how it's viewed in that part of the world.

The mettle of a president and the people he surrounds himself with is not proven until push comes to shove. This nation has entered a new phase in the war on terror and our relativity in the rest of the world and the road is going to be long, rocky and dangerous.

It remains to be seen how this embarrassing situation will play out. Will the president seek the council of the more experienced advice available to him in Congress? Or, will he remain defiant and continue to go it alone.

You've cost America a great deal this past week, Mr. President.

How much more can we take?

What do you think?

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Re: Reprint here: A Citizen's Take on Syria - Soapbox 09/02/13
« Reply #1 on: September 02, 2013, 02:51:29 PM »
Can't disagree too much.  This whole episode just shows what a light weight Obama is.  It also shows his seeming determination to help the Muslim Brotherhood/Al Queda.  Don't know what that is about. 
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Re: Reprint here: A Citizen's Take on Syria - Soapbox 09/02/13
« Reply #2 on: September 02, 2013, 05:44:26 PM »
he thinks if we appease the enemy they'll change their minds and be our friends. He doesn't quite get it
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Re: Reprint here: A Citizen's Take on Syria - Soapbox 09/02/13
« Reply #3 on: September 03, 2013, 10:39:15 AM »
I think the only thing we have to look forward to (in regards to Obama) is that history is not going to smile upon him.
Personally, I do not understand how a bunch of people demanding a bigger govt can call themselves anarchist.
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Re: Reprint here: A Citizen's Take on Syria - Soapbox 09/02/13
« Reply #4 on: September 03, 2013, 10:40:08 AM »
he thinks if we appease the enemy they'll change their minds and be our friends. He doesn't quite get it

Or if he just gives enough speeches...
Personally, I do not understand how a bunch of people demanding a bigger govt can call themselves anarchist.
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Re: Reprint here: A Citizen's Take on Syria - Soapbox 09/02/13
« Reply #5 on: September 03, 2013, 10:58:14 AM »
The whole world is just a little harder to organize  :P
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Re: Reprint here: A Citizen's Take on Syria - Soapbox 09/02/13
« Reply #6 on: September 03, 2013, 11:19:32 AM »
The whole world is just a little harder to organize  :P

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Re: Reprint here: A Citizen's Take on Syria - Soapbox 09/02/13
« Reply #7 on: September 03, 2013, 12:44:03 PM »
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It's not that I think nothing should be done about weapons of mass destruction no matter where they're used in the world

This is the only small point I have trouble with.

In the 20th century, figure 100 million+ people killed by governments using planned famines, rifles, machetes, and other low tech means, much of which was never answered by the rest of the world, while the people killed by 'weapons of mass destruction', can be measured in the mere 10s of thousands .
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Re: Reprint here: A Citizen's Take on Syria - Soapbox 09/02/13
« Reply #8 on: September 03, 2013, 04:30:04 PM »
Interesting point. Is gas a more heinous way to die than the other methods? Should it merit more attention than the average low tech mass killing?
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Re: Reprint here: A Citizen's Take on Syria - Soapbox 09/02/13
« Reply #9 on: September 03, 2013, 05:04:49 PM »
My original comment was yanked by Scout, and I'd appreciate it if he'd put it back up as I stand behind it 100%.

When governments start machete-ing, bombing, using famine as a weapon, gunning down, using biological agents or ANY other means of killing their own populations, it's time to put them down like the rabid dogs they are.
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Re: Reprint here: A Citizen's Take on Syria - Soapbox 09/02/13
« Reply #10 on: September 03, 2013, 05:19:47 PM »
My original comment was yanked by Scout, and I'd appreciate it if he'd put it back up as I stand behind it 100%.

When governments start machete-ing, bombing, using famine as a weapon, gunning down, using biological agents or ANY other means of killing their own populations, it's time to put them down like the rabid dogs they are.

Adding to this, if "Armed Polite Society" cannot stand behind the concept that "we the people" (of any nation, all nations, and no nations) are armed so that we may protect ourselves from organized oppression... what is APS capable of standing for?











G*d forbid someone actually say "weapons are for killing soldiers and government agents that mean harm to your life and freedom."  Good thing the owner of this website would never say such a thing. ;/
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Re: Reprint here: A Citizen's Take on Syria - Soapbox 09/02/13
« Reply #11 on: September 03, 2013, 05:39:30 PM »
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When governments start machete-ing, bombing, using famine as a weapon, gunning down, using biological agents or ANY other means of killing their own populations, it's time to put them down like the rabid dogs they are.

*shrug*
I'd prefer we withdraw our tentacles and meddlings with every other country on earth, unless they have a proven track record of being allies. People have been mass murdering eachother since the dawn of time, there is no reason why we should expend our wealth, blood, and time to fix every place and situation where people don't have their act together.
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Re: Reprint here: A Citizen's Take on Syria - Soapbox 09/02/13
« Reply #12 on: September 03, 2013, 05:42:38 PM »
*shrug*
I'd prefer we withdraw our tentacles and meddlings with every other country on earth, unless they have a proven track record of being allies. People have been mass murdering eachother since the dawn of time, there is no reason why we should expend our wealth, blood, and time to fix every place and situation where people don't have their act together.

I'm not saying we expend American blood/wealth/time to do it.

My missing post was an affirmation of your post here:

This is the only small point I have trouble with.

In the 20th century, figure 100 million+ people killed by governments using planned famines, rifles, machetes, and other low tech means, much of which was never answered by the rest of the world, while the people killed by 'weapons of mass destruction', can be measured in the mere 10s of thousands .


Speaking to the plural unspecific "governments" in your quote, suggesting that us mere plebs have a right and responsibility to do away with governments that mean us such violent harm.
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Re: Reprint here: A Citizen's Take on Syria - Soapbox 09/02/13
« Reply #13 on: September 03, 2013, 05:54:37 PM »
My original comment was yanked by Scout, and I'd appreciate it if he'd put it back up as I stand behind it 100%.

When governments start machete-ing, bombing, using famine as a weapon, gunning down, using biological agents or ANY other means of killing their own populations, it's time to put them down like the rabid dogs they are.

Problem is the West tried to govenmentize and state borderize different tribes that had hatred of each other since Cain killed Able.
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Re: Reprint here: A Citizen's Take on Syria - Soapbox 09/02/13
« Reply #14 on: September 03, 2013, 05:57:46 PM »
I'm not saying we expend American blood/wealth/time to do it.

My missing post was an affirmation of your post here:

Speaking to the plural unspecific "governments" in your quote, suggesting that us mere plebs have a right and responsibility to do away with governments that mean us such violent harm.
Roger that.
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Re: Reprint here: A Citizen's Take on Syria - Soapbox 09/02/13
« Reply #15 on: September 03, 2013, 06:21:38 PM »
Problem is the West tried to govenmentize and state borderize different tribes that had hatred of each other since Cain killed Able.

I don't understand why EVERY place on a map needs to have lines around it.

Them aye-rabs got along just fine without our fancy lines.  They herded goats and scimitared each other and wiped their bums with their hands and followed whatever laws they wanted to follow amongst themselves and associated with whomever they wanted to and didn't associate with people they didn't want to.

Compel them to adhere to those lines on paper, and you have to put a guy "on top."  Seems they don't like that, and for the guy to remain on top he has to get all mean and authoritarian, or use religion as a tool to get the masses shouting "rabblerabblerabble" about something else rather than killing him.

Given the shape of things today, the whole world would be better off if the middle east were a bunch of dung-burning goatherders that buggered each other for fun and had no cohesive organizational structure from which to build Al-Qaeda, or Iranian centrifuges, or Syrian chemical weapons.

They'd be happier, and so would we.
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Re: Reprint here: A Citizen's Take on Syria - Soapbox 09/02/13
« Reply #16 on: September 03, 2013, 08:34:54 PM »
My original comment was yanked by Scout, and I'd appreciate it if he'd put it back up as I stand behind it 100%.

When governments start machete-ing, bombing, using famine as a weapon, gunning down, using biological agents or ANY other means of killing their own populations, it's time to put them down like the rabid dogs they are.

With that I completely agree.  But the governed should put down their own oppressors.  Let's say it comes to that in the US where the government attacks its own people.  I wouldn't want China to attack the US in order to save us.
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Re: Reprint here: A Citizen's Take on Syria - Soapbox 09/02/13
« Reply #17 on: September 03, 2013, 08:43:45 PM »
I don't understand why EVERY place on a map needs to have lines around it.

Them aye-rabs got along just fine without our fancy lines.  They herded goats and scimitared each other and wiped their bums with their hands and followed whatever laws they wanted to follow amongst themselves and associated with whomever they wanted to and didn't associate with people they didn't want to.

Compel them to adhere to those lines on paper, and you have to put a guy "on top."  Seems they don't like that, and for the guy to remain on top he has to get all mean and authoritarian, or use religion as a tool to get the masses shouting "rabblerabblerabble" about something else rather than killing him.

Given the shape of things today, the whole world would be better off if the middle east were a bunch of dung-burning goatherders that buggered each other for fun and had no cohesive organizational structure from which to build Al-Qaeda, or Iranian centrifuges, or Syrian chemical weapons.

They'd be happier, and so would we.

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Re: Reprint here: A Citizen's Take on Syria - Soapbox 09/02/13
« Reply #18 on: September 03, 2013, 08:59:42 PM »
My original comment was yanked by Scout, and I'd appreciate it if he'd put it back up as I stand behind it 100%.

When governments start machete-ing, bombing, using famine as a weapon, gunning down, using biological agents or ANY other means of killing their own populations, it's time to put them down like the rabid dogs they are.

Not the language you used in your original post.  This ^ makes it clear what you meant, where your original post didn't fit in with the guidelines of APS.
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Re: Reprint here: A Citizen's Take on Syria - Soapbox 09/02/13
« Reply #19 on: September 03, 2013, 10:38:32 PM »
<sputter>But, but.  Oil!  American Interests!</sputter!>

It happened long before oil was even considered, think the silk road and the silk and spice trades from China and the East Indies. The Occidentals desired things from the Orient and wanted stability for the regions in between for movement of these things.
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Re: Reprint here: A Citizen's Take on Syria - Soapbox 09/02/13
« Reply #20 on: September 04, 2013, 08:34:55 AM »
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