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Front-load washer started making loud noise
« on: December 08, 2013, 08:07:28 PM »
Kind of a "squawk" or low-pitched squeak every revolution during the spin cycle, but not until it gets a pretty good speed to it.  It does not sound anything like a wheel bearing.  I was not washing a particularly large load when it started.  Any ideas?  Rear bearing?  Loose or broken spider?

I'm pretty sure the guys that delivered it 10 or so years ago did not leave any drum-locking bolts with me for shipping, so I can't really take it to a repair shop (not that I could get it up the basement stairs anyway, front-loaders are *heavy* about like an upright piano)
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Re: Front-load washer started making loud noise
« Reply #1 on: December 08, 2013, 08:17:30 PM »
Model number?

Missing any underwires, pens or anything else that might be stuck in the basket and hitting the sump when it comes around?

I've seen the belts make some noise from time to time but they tend to outlast the washer.

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Re: Front-load washer started making loud noise
« Reply #2 on: December 08, 2013, 08:32:24 PM »
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Re: Front-load washer started making loud noise
« Reply #3 on: December 08, 2013, 08:47:37 PM »
Frigidaire CRTR9300ASO.  Looks like a 50 year old White-Westinghouse with more settings on the dial.

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Re: Front-load washer started making loud noise
« Reply #4 on: December 08, 2013, 09:23:26 PM »
I know that machine pretty well. The old Westinghouse was a lot harder to work on if you had a drive problem.

I finally replaced my '99 model with a new Frigidaire with the bigger door this summer. The rear bearing gave up and I hate putting tubs in those things.

Pull the two screws out of the bottom and remove that lower cover. See if you can tell what is making the noise. That has the older shocks on it that make noise from time to time or break. The top tub springs break but that is easy to tell.

When that spider on the back of the basket breaks the tub will be soon to follow and you'll be out the cost of a new unit by the time you fix it. My cost on the rear tub half and spin basket is over $400.00.

If it turns out to be the shocks I have a pair of the upgraded ones here that I'll sell you for cost plus a USPS bag. Anything else let me know and I'll get you a price to drop ship to the door.

CRTR? I didn't think they were still doing the Crown Series 10 years ago. XC serial? What are the four numbers right after the letters if you don't mind me asking?

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Re: Front-load washer started making loud noise
« Reply #5 on: December 08, 2013, 09:30:23 PM »
Just replaced a 7 year old Whirlpool that was getting a bit wonky.  Wouldn't drain sometimes, started making more noise in the spin cycle.

Repair dude said to just pitch it.  Wasn't worth it when the bearings started to get loose, which happens to all of them, because it's a 3 man job to wrangle the thing out and repair them.

So, never buying a front load washer again.

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Re: Front-load washer started making loud noise
« Reply #6 on: December 08, 2013, 09:31:08 PM »
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CRTR? I didn't think they were still doing the Crown Series 10 years ago. XC serial? What are the four numbers right after the letters if you don't mind me asking?

XC3100.  Thanks.
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Re: Front-load washer started making loud noise
« Reply #7 on: December 09, 2013, 11:54:44 AM »
I just replaced my 22 year old top loader with another top loader.  I know several people who have front loaders and they all dislike them for one reason or another.

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Re: Front-load washer started making loud noise
« Reply #8 on: December 09, 2013, 12:13:07 PM »
I thought the only thing prone to failure on these was the door seal. 

Several companies sell bearing and seal kits (not sure if they are OEM seals or aftermarket.)  You knock the old ones out and press the new ones in yourself, and that way don't have to replace that expensive rear outer drum assembly.  Is it worth a try? 

I haven't pulled the cover off yet to see if something else obvious is wrong.
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Re: Front-load washer started making loud noise
« Reply #9 on: December 09, 2013, 12:54:20 PM »

So, never buying a front load washer again.

You may not have a choice.  With the "Green", "Energystar", and other rules/regulations, top loaders are becoming as rare as hen's teeth.   Front loaders use less water (and get your clothes less clean, see Consumer Reports), but our Fearless Leaders have decreed that Mother Gaia needs us to use less water and wear dirty clothes.

See if you can find a used appliance store for an old top-loader.  Yeah, you may have to buy some parts and get some advice from Jim, but that's about your only choice.
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Re: Front-load washer started making loud noise
« Reply #10 on: December 09, 2013, 10:40:23 PM »
We used to put bearings in the steel tub models. Once the plastic tubs started shipping we couldn't get the bearings from any of the manufactures.

If you do have a bearing starting to go, you should have a lot of time to look for a new one.

I haven't seen a need for a top load washer in years. Cleaner and longer lasting clothes with less water and power usage, I'll keep my frontloaders.

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Re: Front-load washer started making loud noise
« Reply #11 on: December 10, 2013, 01:22:11 AM »
Front loaders use less water (and get your clothes less clean, see Consumer Reports), but our Fearless Leaders have decreed that Mother Gaia needs us to use less water and wear dirty clothes.

Citation check: Consumer Reports says that front loaders(at least the good ones) clean better than the top loaders.  Check page 2 - "The best front-loaders clean better and more efficiently than the best high-efficiency top-loaders, without necessarily costing more."

If you're not buying a 'high efficiency' top loader that costs about the same as a front loader the results are 'least impressive'.

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Re: Front-load washer started making loud noise
« Reply #12 on: December 10, 2013, 09:47:19 AM »
And here i was thinking about replacing our old (16 years) Kenmore top loader (if and when it fails) with a front loader. I did replace the dryer rear bearing about 4 or 5 years ago, but it's not really that hard to do. I haven't noticed clothes coming out "dirty", and don't really care how much water I use. I live in a swamp, have a 65' deep well and have water to 7 feet from the top of the well. The water I use gets recycled into the ground.
It's a full sized "stacked unit" though, so if the washer gives out I may have to bite the bullet and get another one, or a set of stackable (front loaders =|) and join the suck. From what I've seen, front loaders are substantially more expensive though.


You may not have a choice.  With the "Green", "Energystar", and other rules/regulations, top loaders are becoming as rare as hen's teeth.   Front loaders use less water (and get your clothes less clean, see Consumer Reports), but our Fearless Leaders have decreed that Mother Gaia needs us to use less water and wear dirty clothes.

Mother Gaia can kiss my grits! (although I'll likely end up eventually kissing hers =|) Only old people will get that reference. :P Although, she may not get the chance if the tree huggers and the govt have their way. Still seeing top loaders at the local big box stores, though I don't know for how long.
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Re: Front-load washer started making loud noise
« Reply #13 on: December 10, 2013, 03:36:48 PM »
Citation check: Consumer Reports says that front loaders(at least the good ones) clean better than the top loaders.  Check page 2 - "The best front-loaders clean better and more efficiently than the best high-efficiency top-loaders, without necessarily costing more."

If you're not buying a 'high efficiency' top loader that costs about the same as a front loader the results are 'least impressive'.

The one I saw was from a few years ago, where they pretty much blasted all front loaders. 
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Re: Front-load washer started making loud noise
« Reply #14 on: December 10, 2013, 04:22:41 PM »
"The best front-loaders clean better and more efficiently than the best high-efficiency top-loaders, without necessarily costing more."

I like that "best high efficiency top loaders".  Elitist tripe, that.  It shouldn't need to be the highest priced model in the line to do a good job of the machine's basic function, washing clothes.  If it fails at that primary task, it's not a washing machine.  It's a piece of junk being sold as a washing machine.  Price should be a determiner of features and ease of use, not wash quality.

Also, I'm guessing their testing was predicated on automatic cycles.  After using both my parent's and my brother's front loading machines, and my new top loader, I think I can safely say that automatic-detection and low-water-use cycles are crap if you don't use HE-rated detergent, and improve only slightly to terrible if you do use HE detergent. 

After some trial and error I have also discovered the "Bulky" setting on my new top loader.  It magically adds about 10-15% more water to the basket, almost covering the clothes and allowing them to agitate while fully submerged rather than becoming a wad of partially wetted fabric being smunched and smeared around by the agitator.

Now if I could get it to agree that "Soak" means fill the basket with water and stop, I would be happy.  Rather, it runs a pre-cycle, then drains.  Meh.  Not much of a soak if you ask me.  More of a damp.

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Re: Front-load washer started making loud noise
« Reply #15 on: December 11, 2013, 05:53:59 AM »
I like that "best high efficiency top loaders".  Elitist tripe, that.  It shouldn't need to be the highest priced model in the line to do a good job of the machine's basic function, washing clothes.  If it fails at that primary task, it's not a washing machine.  It's a piece of junk being sold as a washing machine.  Price should be a determiner of features and ease of use, not wash quality.

Just remember, their quote, not mine.  They make you pay up(I'm considering restarting my membership, going shopping for a fridge when I get back) to see individual machine ratings.  That's the thing - One thing CS is highly aware of is that there's big differences between the best and worst performers, even within a class.  So all the statement really is what they say.  Not getting the 'best' front loader?  Well, maybe that top loader you're considering does better because the 'top of the line' model isn't an option for whatever reason.

I'd also want to get into the paid section in order to see how they quantify cleaning quality - it could be that even the nastiest model is clean enough for you, while the cleanest gets rags straight from the mechanic's oil soaked hands clean enough for surgury.

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Also, I'm guessing their testing was predicated on automatic cycles.

Per the website - most agressive normal cycle, rating is on the basis of color change for cotton fabric swatches.  No special indicators punched.
Going through, 'washing performance' is excellent for about a third of the front loaders, but maxes out at 'very good' for top loaders, which again about a third are at. 
Price wise, with some shopping for price performance, a front loader costs ~$100 more for about 5 points better performance from CR. 
Whirlpool Duet: $800, 83% vs LG WT1101CW: $700, 77% (First CR 'Best Buy' in each category).  One thing I noticed is that cycle time made a real difference - the longer the wash, the better the results.

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After using both my parent's and my brother's front loading machines, and my new top loader, I think I can safely say that automatic-detection and low-water-use cycles are crap if you don't use HE-rated detergent, and improve only slightly to terrible if you do use HE detergent. 

You do realize this hits me about like a dude complaining his new car doesn't work well with 40 weight oil as opposed to that new-fangled multiweight stuff?  All the front loaders I've seen specify HE detergent about like cars specify oil weight(or maybe gasoline octane).  Also, how do you rate HE detergent?  How much do you use?  What's your complaint?  Stuff not getting clean, or are you getting residue?

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After some trial and error I have also discovered the "Bulky" setting on my new top loader.  It magically adds about 10-15% more water to the basket, almost covering the clothes and allowing them to agitate while fully submerged rather than becoming a wad of partially wetted fabric being smunched and smeared around by the agitator.

That's actually one of the problems listed for high-efficiency top-loaders, which are actually something of a US phenonem - Europe went to front loaders almost exclusively.  That said. at least today regular top loaders just suck.  Due to the differences between orientation, front loaders don't have that specific problem.  They have other problems, of course.  Why our manufacturers, which are mostly global and have their stuff made in China anyways, screwed up importing functional designs from Europe, I don't know. 

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Now if I could get it to agree that "Soak" means fill the basket with water and stop, I would be happy.  Rather, it runs a pre-cycle, then drains.  Meh.  Not much of a soak if you ask me.  More of a damp.

Bring it up with a sales agent next time.   =|
Of course, when I get technical like that most sales agents don't have a clue.  As is you might just have to figure out how long filling the tub takes and remember to swing by and turn it off.

Only problem I've had with my front loader(inherited with house) is that occasionally the door latch won't lock - unplugging and replugging it into the main board fixes the problem, and some electrical cleaning spray fixes the problem for a good long time.