Author Topic: "Smart" Guns (Read 6257 times)

Ben · « **on:** February 20, 2014, 08:40:18 AM »

Not this crap again...

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/02/20/dem-bill-would-require-all-new-guns-be-personalized/

AZRedhawk44 · « **Reply #1 on:** February 20, 2014, 09:14:46 AM »

Let's have NYPD try them out for a decade or so as a case study before we do anything hasty with the rest of the country.

Cops shouldn't have any problem with this, right? They wouldn't want their own guns being misused, after all...

HankB · « **Reply #2 on:** February 20, 2014, 01:08:03 PM »

Quote from: AZRedhawk44 on February 20, 2014, 09:14:46 AM

Let's have NYPD try them out for a decade or so as a case study before we do anything hasty with the rest of the country.

Cops shouldn't have any problem with this, right? They wouldn't want their own guns being misused, after all...

I think the executive protection detail of the US Secret Service should be first in line to receive this new technology - nothing is too good for The Anointed One's safety.

Firethorn · « **Reply #3 on:** February 20, 2014, 01:28:30 PM »

I hereby propose that the NYPD, having already lost X members over the years from firearms stolen from the officers themselves be the first to use this technology, in order to prove it's effectiveness to the civilian population and overcome their distrust of the technology...

RevDisk · « **Reply #4 on:** February 20, 2014, 01:41:33 PM »

The bad side is that is a statist's wet dream. Being able to remotely disable all civilian weaponry at the touch of a button.
The good side is that if the police and/or military ever are dumb or high enough to allow this in their weapons, it'll be nice to be able to turn them off. The government has never been exactly good at information security.

I'm actually tempted to buy said smart guns to get in on the ground floor.

Ben · « **Reply #5 on:** February 20, 2014, 01:50:40 PM »

Quote from: RevDisk on February 20, 2014, 01:41:33 PM

I'm actually tempted to buy said smart guns to get in on the ground floor.

AZRedhawk44 · « **Reply #6 on:** February 20, 2014, 01:54:10 PM »

I can't imagine they will be too complicated, Rev.

Think: battery pack, primitive RFID scanner keyed to ring or bracelet, and a magnetic solenoid similar to a Colt Series 80 or Glock drop safety.

If you can flood the frequency used by the RFID scanner in the gun so it can't discern the correct RFID device being in proximity, you'll disengage the magnet and block the firing channel.

Tallpine · « **Reply #7 on:** February 20, 2014, 02:00:24 PM »

LOW BATTERY!

Marnoot · « **Reply #8 on:** February 20, 2014, 02:12:45 PM »

PC LOAD 9MM

Ben · « **Reply #9 on:** February 20, 2014, 02:16:11 PM »

Apparently a German manufactured "smart" pistol has just hit the market:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/we-need-the-iphone-of-guns-will-smart-guns-transform-the-gun-industry/2014/02/17/6ebe76da-8f58-11e3-b227-12a45d109e03_story.html

AZRedhawk44 · « **Reply #10 on:** February 20, 2014, 02:21:27 PM »

From Ben's link:

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The company also has technology that would render guns inoperable if they approached electronic markers — for instance, near a school.

So there's a broadcast code that will render guns inoperable. Which means that cops can carry that broadcast code, and carry guns immune from it. Nope.

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The New Jersey Institute of Technology is using sensors to recognize users’ grips and grasping behaviors.

Stupid. So many gun owners are uneducated limpwristed morons who don't know how to grip a gun. They go and take a class and change their grip, and the gun doesn't work then.

Balog · « **Reply #11 on:** February 20, 2014, 02:59:59 PM »

Quote from: Marnoot on February 20, 2014, 02:12:45 PM

PC LOAD 9MM

RevDisk · « **Reply #12 on:** February 20, 2014, 04:14:51 PM »

Quote from: AZRedhawk44 on February 20, 2014, 01:54:10 PM

I can't imagine they will be too complicated, Rev.

Think: battery pack, primitive RFID scanner keyed to ring or bracelet, and a magnetic solenoid similar to a Colt Series 80 or Glock drop safety.

If you can flood the frequency used by the RFID scanner in the gun so it can't discern the correct RFID device being in proximity, you'll disengage the magnet and block the firing channel.

Only one way to find out. However, I'm not paying $1,399 for a .22 pistol of dubious manufacture, and $399 for a watch.

p12 · « **Reply #13 on:** February 20, 2014, 05:34:00 PM »

A watch that you have to enter a code to enable the gun.

Nick1911 · « **Reply #14 on:** February 20, 2014, 05:51:19 PM »

It's inevitable.

Two saving graces:

1) There's already a LOT of 'dumb' hardware out there. And firearms are durable good. Very, very durable goods.

2) We're Americans, and try as they might, information sharing is still rampant and flowing free. There's a lot of people out there with mills, lathes, 3d printers, grinders, etc. All it takes is one mechanical engineer to make one blueprint and set of G-codes per firearm model to render the whole exercise moot.

AZRedhawk44 · « **Reply #15 on:** February 20, 2014, 09:38:21 PM »

Quote from: Nick1911 on February 20, 2014, 05:51:19 PM

It's inevitable.

Two saving graces:

1) There's already a LOT of 'dumb' hardware out there. And firearms are durable good. Very, very durable goods.

2) We're Americans, and try as they might, information sharing is still rampant and flowing free. There's a lot of people out there with mills, lathes, 3d printers, grinders, etc. All it takes is one mechanical engineer to make one blueprint and set of G-codes per firearm model to render the whole exercise moot.

And, the whole notion of authentication on a firearm is inherently defeatable at the component level. Take it apart, remove the motor/solenoid, tack-weld or jb weld the obstructing piece out of the way and you're done.

Obstructions will be additive in nature to the overall design of a firearm.

Northwoods · « **Reply #16 on:** February 21, 2014, 12:40:19 AM »

Quote from: Nick1911 on February 20, 2014, 05:51:19 PM

It's inevitable.

Two saving graces:

1) There's already a LOT of 'dumb' hardware out there. And firearms are durable good. Very, very durable goods.

2) We're Americans, and try as they might, information sharing is still rampant and flowing free. There's a lot of people out there with mills, lathes, 3d printers, grinders, etc. All it takes is one mechanical engineer to make one blueprint and set of G-codes per firearm model to render the whole exercise moot.
Quote from: AZRedhawk44 on February 20, 2014, 09:38:21 PM
And, the whole notion of authentication on a firearm is inherently defeatable at the component level. Take it apart, remove the motor/solenoid, tack-weld or jb weld the obstructing piece out of the way and you're done.

Obstructions will be additive in nature to the overall design of a firearm.

Of course, what the .gov will do is make that the current equivalent of obliterating the serial number. Get caught (under any circumstance where your gun is ruled admissible as evidence, and that's not hard to accomplish) and it's 10 years in the Federal Pound You In The ass Prison (to carry on with the Office Space references).

French G. · « **Reply #17 on:** February 21, 2014, 04:27:10 AM »

That's not a smart gun, that's a dumb gun. Where is autonomous target discrimination and engagement? Now that'd be a smart gun!

Ben · « **Reply #18 on:** March 07, 2014, 10:15:24 AM »

So it appears this gun shop that was gonna sell the German "smart gun" has completely backpedaled, to the point where the owner is saying he never actually said he was going to sell them. Too bad about the Internet saving everything. I think he permanently damaged his family's business.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/03/07/california-firearms-shop-backs-away-from-smart-gun-after-backlash/?intcmp=latestnews

White Horseradish · « **Reply #19 on:** March 07, 2014, 11:54:40 AM »

A guy on another board I visit lives in that area. He said the place is a range and not a shop, and they do not sell guns. Someone just used their bulletin board to put up an ad for one.

Sawdust · « **Reply #20 on:** March 07, 2014, 12:04:46 PM »

Not true; it is both a range and has a fairly extensive store.

They were going to sell them; pics were found showing Armatix cases with the stores sales labeling.

Sawdust

RevDisk · « **Reply #21 on:** March 07, 2014, 02:38:26 PM »

Quote from: White Horseradish on March 07, 2014, 11:54:40 AM

A guy on another board I visit lives in that area. He said the place is a range and not a shop, and they do not sell guns. Someone just used their bulletin board to put up an ad for one.

They were going to sell them until there was backlash. Said range is doing some unsuccessful retcon.

Refuting Oak Tree's denials: https://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?p=13504875

Major points:
1. Four plus major media outlets quoted the owner verbatim.
2. BATFE lists Armatix at same address, https://www.atfonline.gov/fflezcheck/ and 9, 95, 01414
3. If sold, it would be the only legal pistol for sale in NJ.

Some more info on the company: http://www.triebel.de/2011/_Armatix-engl.pdf

White Horseradish · « **Reply #22 on:** March 08, 2014, 12:36:38 PM »

Heh. RL retcons are kinda hard...

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