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« Reply #50 on: September 18, 2006, 03:10:33 PM »
I'm trying to figure out where I fit in this as a man-hating straight chick. Smiley

The truth is, seriously, I don't hate men. Probably 70% of my friends are men, and my closest friends are both guys. And of the 30% of my friends who are women, the vast majority are somewhat like me. I have a hard time dealing with people who don't have backbone and some self-interest, regardless of their gender.

What happened for a long time was that I found myself disliking women. And I still find women disliking me, but differently. First it was because I was "one of the guys" and now because I call the "guys" on a lot of crap that most women just don't see. Women hate that worse than men do.

The hardest thing for me as I grow older is to learn to accept other people, especially women, who don't stand up for themselves..women are taught, in a zillion ways, in subtle ways, and not so subtle, that we're *not* the standard..that we're weaker or less than, that we're the diminutive of men..or worse yet, that we belong in some stupid gilded cage where people don't use bad language and our lives revolve around sacraficing ourselves making other people comfy. And I can't wrap my mind around that because, well..I'm me. I don't need to be coddled and I'm not big on coddling other people. I just want to live out my life on my own terms and get impatient with anyone that stands in my way. Smiley

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« Reply #51 on: September 18, 2006, 10:24:27 PM »
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I just want to live out my life on my own terms and get impatient with anyone that stands in my way. Smiley
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« Reply #52 on: September 19, 2006, 09:33:25 AM »
I'm a "Dutch Boy"--the male counterpart to a "Fag Hag".  I can't help it, I just enjoy the SOCIAL company of lesbians.  I find that I have to work pretty hard before many believe I don't have nefarious motives but, once my friends have realised I don't, it's all cool.

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« Reply #53 on: September 19, 2006, 02:14:28 PM »
I don't know where this thread is headed, but I just wanted to offer another observation.

My wife's uncle is gay, and he's now 73. The last time my wife and I went to a bar, it was to his favorite hangout, a place called "The Ball Game."

The Ball Game is a gay bar, but the clientele is very different. It's gay guys in their 60's, 70's or even 80's.

Unlike the more popular gay bars, there are no dancing boys in g-strings on a stage. Instead, it's pretty much what you'd expect: a bunch of old guys sitting at a bar, complaining about aches and pains, and talking about days gone by. Not much going on in the way of one person hitting on another. In fact, I doubt very much that anyone who didn't already know it was a gay bar would realize that it was.

The exception is the transvestites. That last time we were at the bar was on Halloween. Two Milwaukee South Side "busha's" came in. ("Busha" is MKE Polish slang for "grandma").

They were dressed perfectly: the bluish-gray hair, the little purses, the whole "Milwaukee Sout' Side" busha look. It took a minute before I realized that: a) it was Halloween and; b) these two guys had done the best makeup job of anyone I've ever seen.

Don't know what all of the above means, but The Ball Game has to be the least threatening bar in the city.

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« Reply #54 on: September 19, 2006, 09:23:01 PM »
Barbara said:

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Barbara, I hope you'll hold off on hating me until you actually meet me, like everyone else does.  cheesy
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« Reply #55 on: September 19, 2006, 09:28:03 PM »
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I just want to live out my life on my own terms and get impatient with anyone that stands in my way. Smiley
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Is living your life on your own terms really an issue/problem for women?  I guess I figured everyone, man or woman, lived that way.  Maybe I'm wrong?

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« Reply #56 on: September 21, 2006, 02:29:00 PM »
"Sperm Wars" offers some explanations as to the origin of, survival of, and hostility towards homosexuality. I am not certain if I agree with the book on that issue, but it does sound plausible.

My own attitude is one of recognition of their rights coupled with personal revulsion at the thought of the physical act. Certain rights should be accorded, even marriage, but just don't tell me any of it is natural. If indeed homosexuality is based on genetics that produces a brain biochemically opposite to the host body, then at best these people are unfortunate aberrations, on the same level as some other physical or mental deformity. They have my sympathy and assurances of certain rights, in exchange for my right to be publicly disgusted by it. In contrast, we now have a way-over-the-top in-your-face media coverage and political validation of an unfortunate aberration coupled with a strong passive-aggressive undercurrent of closet hatred. That is not a healthy state of affairs for a society.

People will face their sexuality more honestly and openly, if they stop worrying about what other people think about it. This principle goes beyond sexuality as well. For example, I am a hetero who also likes fine things and has an artistic taste and a (frugal) sense of style. More recently, I helped a ladyfriend set up and decorate her house (actually did most of it myself). As I predicted, her female friends immediately told her it was so pretty and stylish that I must be gay. Did that stop me from doing it? No. Does it prevent me from enjoying myself aesthetically? No. Why? Because I do not care what her friends think.

What I have realized in terms of my own sexuality is that while exclusively and strongly attracted to women in the sensual and physical sense, I definitely prefer the social and intellectual company of men. My own explanation is that many women are just so bitter about being women that they create a web of beliefs and attitudes to ameliorate that emotional discomfort. However, the same web annoys the hell out of somebody like me. Conversely, note that the hetero women most secure and relishing their femininity are the one that we men find virtually irresistible.

The funny thing is in general women do not even have it that bad. In fact, I'd argue that species-level biology favors them far more than us. On average, we get to do the tougher, dirtier, more dangerous jobs. In exchange, we might get some sexual pleasure, but there is not even a reasonable guarantee that the kids we raise are our own. Especially historically we have tended to have more personal power and wealth, but in the end, most of us spend it on a family, which is ultimately "her" idea.

Just read "Sperm Wars". You will not look upon the world with the same eyes.

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« Reply #57 on: September 21, 2006, 03:14:07 PM »
>People will face their sexuality more honestly and openly, if they stop worrying about what other people think about it.<

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« Reply #58 on: September 21, 2006, 05:13:10 PM »
How about this assumption that only gays wear pointy-toed shoes? I'm straight, but I wear riding boots with medium-round to slightly more pointed toes. I know plenty of straight/married guys around here who wear boots with pointier toes than I wear. Yet we have some people who make blanket statements that seem to indict some of us straight guys as being gay. I personally think it's stupid.

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« Reply #59 on: September 21, 2006, 05:24:58 PM »
Who cares? If you like them, wear them. People thinking you're gay won't cause you to want to sleep with men, I promise. Smiley

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« Reply #60 on: September 21, 2006, 05:29:40 PM »
Wait, straight guys don't wear pointy boots?  There's a whole lotta cowboys who'd be interested to hear that.
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« Reply #61 on: September 21, 2006, 05:46:51 PM »
Barbara and fistful, ya'll just pretty much stated my point. And I ain't givin' up my boots.