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"Some Of My Best Friends Are Americans" by François Camoin
« on: September 15, 2014, 02:00:25 AM »
I first and last read this story in early 1980 when my house mate received his May issue of OMNI Magazine.  It has bothered me ever since and I have made the occasional effort to find and reread it.  Tonight I succeeded.  It may be found at

https://archive.org/stream/omni-magazine-1980-05/OMNI_1980_05#page/n51/mode/1up

Navigating the story is a bit of a chore but I think it worth the effort.  Be forewarned:  this is not a nice story and if it affects you as it has me, you probably won't thank me for this thread.
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Re: "Some Of My Best Friends Are Americans" by François Camoin
« Reply #1 on: September 15, 2014, 03:26:55 AM »
Not a bad read. And considering the date of publication kind of intriguing.  My take on the author is that he's a hard core city boy.
I'm still of the opinion that it would take a serious "scorched earth" approach to root out the rednecks,  good ole boys and the like as well as the veterans that wouldn't sit still for a take over like what was described. Not saying we'd win from sure but it'd be one hell of a pyrrhic victory for who ever came out on top.
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Re: "Some Of My Best Friends Are Americans" by François Camoin
« Reply #2 on: September 15, 2014, 08:47:38 AM »
Of all the groups I think about taking over the US, the Muslims of the Middle East are way down the list. 
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Re: "Some Of My Best Friends Are Americans" by François Camoin
« Reply #3 on: September 15, 2014, 10:17:05 AM »
Of all the groups I think about taking over the US, the Muslims of the Middle East are way down the list. 

This.

Muslims/Arabs couldn't run a two-camel parade properly.

And as witnessed by recent events, if/when they DO get some momentum going, killing each other for being the "wrong kind" of Muslim quickly takes priority.

That said, we should secure our border, and squash any Islamist threats while they are small.  And as usual, our own population is the greatest threat, low-information voters, and leftism borne of emotive reasoning does more damage than all the Durka-Durka Aloha Snackbar in the world.
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Re: "Some Of My Best Friends Are Americans" by François Camoin
« Reply #4 on: September 15, 2014, 10:37:56 AM »
Not a bad read. And considering the date of publication kind of intriguing.  My take on the author is that he's a hard core city boy.
I'm still of the opinion that it would take a serious "scorched earth" approach to root out the rednecks,  good ole boys and the like as well as the veterans that wouldn't sit still for a take over like what was described. Not saying we'd win from sure but it'd be one hell of a pyrrhic victory for who ever came out on top.

A country boy can survive  =)
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Re: "Some Of My Best Friends Are Americans" by François Camoin
« Reply #5 on: September 15, 2014, 11:22:56 AM »
My take on the author is that he's a hard core city boy.

It's worse than that:  he arrived from France at twelve or thirteen and has spent his adult life on campus as student and teacher.

The timing is only a bit interesting.  The late '70s and early '80s, when I was campus bound, had a lot of doom and gloom.  Read Frank Herbert's The White Plague (1982.) Tweak the triggering event and the bad guy's ethnicity and you might have a viable project for Hollywood to bollix.
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Re: "Some Of My Best Friends Are Americans" by François Camoin
« Reply #6 on: September 15, 2014, 12:21:54 PM »
Interesting story, but lacking grounding in reality. Even in 1980.
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Re: "Some Of My Best Friends Are Americans" by François Camoin
« Reply #7 on: September 15, 2014, 12:38:42 PM »
...but lacking grounding in reality.

OMNI, in this context,  was a science fiction magazine.  The willing suspension of disbelief is presumed.

The effect of the story on me is how the author sets up the prospect of the unwritten second visit to The Booth.  Think cautionary tale of Sharia.
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Re: "Some Of My Best Friends Are Americans" by François Camoin
« Reply #8 on: September 15, 2014, 12:48:13 PM »
Interesting story, but lacking grounding in reality. Even in 1980.

I read 1984 in the 60's and folk said the same thing


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Re: "Some Of My Best Friends Are Americans" by François Camoin
« Reply #9 on: September 15, 2014, 12:51:29 PM »
I think a more applicable story to our times would be "Camp of the Saints"

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Re: "Some Of My Best Friends Are Americans" by François Camoin
« Reply #10 on: September 15, 2014, 01:13:26 PM »
Of all the groups I think about taking over the US, the Muslims of the Middle East are way down the list. 

In terms of "groups likely to occupy US", I'd rank them under Inuits but above Mennonites.

Islamic Arabic manufacturing is minimal in relation to their population, their military forces are substandard by any metric outside of Africa and they turn fratricidal at the drop of a hat. The Muslim Brotherhood has historically killed around 10 Muslims for every 1 Westerner. I haven't found good statistics for the total manufacturing output for both groups (Islamic, Arab), closest I found was $250Bn for all of "Western Asia". Israel is $30Bn.

US manufacturers $1.7Tn. The US manufactures a minimum of eight times as much stuff.

Our military is hideously inefficient compared to its cost, but even so we have significantly more firepower than all Islamic or Arab nations assembled. Our citizenry outguns our military at about 10 to 1 ratio.

*snort*

If the Middle East increases its manufacturing output by 10x, increases its military capacity by 1000x and finds a way to act as a cohesive well-led entity, yes, they would be able to hold their own against us. That'd put them in the ranks of the EU and China.  That wouldn't be enough to invade and occupy the US. If the EU and China merged, switched their economic output towards warfare and the US didn't change our defense spending, they might be able to successfully occupy the US. Until the Middle East reaches that level, I'm not concerned.
 
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Re: "Some Of My Best Friends Are Americans" by François Camoin
« Reply #11 on: September 15, 2014, 03:00:31 PM »
I read 1984 in the 60's and folk said the same thing

Others read it and saw it as a blueprint and a dare.

I think a more applicable story to our times would be "Camp of the Saints"

This.

In terms of "groups likely to occupy US", I'd rank them under Inuits but above Mennonites.

Please do not give our ruling class any ideas.  They already think grandmas wearing star-spangled uncle sam hats at a tea party rally are fascists.  The "mennonite threat" is not far from that smear.

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Re: "Some Of My Best Friends Are Americans" by François Camoin
« Reply #12 on: September 15, 2014, 05:46:23 PM »
All this breast beating over the idea of occupation.  Suppose it is a bought-and-sold conquest in which the frog discovers the lethal temperature too late to jump from the pot?  Indeed, a conquest in which the frog believes it is enjoying hot tubbing with all the consumer comforts until it is too late?
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Re: "Some Of My Best Friends Are Americans" by François Camoin
« Reply #13 on: September 15, 2014, 06:06:51 PM »
All this breast beating over the idea of occupation.  Suppose it is a bought-and-sold conquest in which the frog discovers the lethal temperature too late to jump from the pot?  Indeed, a conquest in which the frog believes it is enjoying hot tubbing with all the consumer comforts until it is too late?

That's my assumption for the premise of the story.

OPEC oil embargo II, the U.S. economy crashes, and Middle Eastern Oil Money buys up a bunch of stuff cheap, whatever U.S. political and business interests that are still standing get friendly with Muslim Big Oil... and the U.S. was flipped that way.

Plus I think at the "darkest before the dawn" moments before it was "morning again in America" with Reagan, just the general lack of patriotism and the "malaise" made it seem more probable, and require less suspension of disbelief.  Also, while Israel had already kicked ass in the 48 founding war, the Yom Kippur war, six-day war... they were only still 32 years old as a nation in 1980. While displaying massive military prowess, they hadn't such a long track record of enduring.

Nor had we decimated and/or invaded what was presumed to be one of the most organized and powerful Muslim nations, Iraq twice and did it in a week both times. Even in '91, don't forget all the wailing and gnashing of teeth that while we'd "win" it would be a "bloodbath" and "a thousand times worse than Vietnam" etc. in the mainstream media.

While Iran remains untested, the general idea that most anywhere in the ME will fold like a cheap suit if invaded by a competent combined-arms military wasn't established yet.
 
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