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Re: Sig P320 pistols go boom by themselves
« Reply #25 on: February 07, 2025, 12:32:03 PM »
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Re: Sig P320 pistols go boom by themselves
« Reply #26 on: March 15, 2025, 07:59:21 AM »
Interesting video, her finger is clearly off the trigger.
Note: in the first comment he does make a correction about the ID on the holster

https://x.com/WarPath2pt0/status/1900671706064118170
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Re: Sig P320 pistols go boom by themselves
« Reply #27 on: March 15, 2025, 09:08:18 AM »
Can't read the comments without signing up for and into X -- which I won't do.

Did that holster shot hit her in the leg, or did it miss? At the end, it appeared that her hand was moving down toward her leg, as if to grab a wound.
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Re: Sig P320 pistols go boom by themselves
« Reply #28 on: March 15, 2025, 10:00:42 AM »
Quote from: Hawkmoon on March 15, 2025, 09:08:18 AM
Can't read the comments without signing up for and into X -- which I won't do.

Did that holster shot hit her in the leg, or did it miss? At the end, it appeared that her hand was moving down toward her leg, as if to grab a wound.

I said her but it could be a he.

Quick scan of the comments I don't see any mention of his/her wounds if any, just people going on about the 320. I just asked if anyone knows.
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Re: Sig P320 pistols go boom by themselves
« Reply #29 on: March 15, 2025, 11:35:50 AM »
Quote from: WLJ on March 15, 2025, 07:59:21 AM
Interesting video, her finger is clearly off the trigger.
Note: in the first comment he does make a correction about the ID on the holster

https://x.com/WarPath2pt0/status/1900671706064118170

Saw that earlier.

Looking at a parts diagram, Sig isn't doing the striker block in the usual way. 
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Re: Sig P320 pistols go boom by themselves
« Reply #30 on: March 15, 2025, 08:46:22 PM »
Quote from: WLJ on March 15, 2025, 07:59:21 AM
Interesting video, her finger is clearly off the trigger.
Note: in the first comment he does make a correction about the ID on the holster

https://x.com/WarPath2pt0/status/1900671706064118170

From some of the comments: it appears that the shooter's trigger finger is on the trigger, and the middle finger is indexing.  As the shooter inserts the pistol into the holster, the trigger finger gets pushed against the trigger and bang.  This one may not be Sig's fault.
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Re: Sig P320 pistols go boom by themselves
« Reply #31 on: March 15, 2025, 09:49:58 PM »
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Re: Sig P320 pistols go boom by themselves
« Reply #32 on: March 16, 2025, 07:08:20 AM »
Quote from: Angel Eyes on March 15, 2025, 08:46:22 PM
From some of the comments: it appears that the shooter's trigger finger is on the trigger, and the middle finger is indexing.  As the shooter inserts the pistol into the holster, the trigger finger gets pushed against the trigger and bang.  This one may not be Sig's fault.

If you pause the video just before she attempts to holster the weapon you can clearly see a finger pointing out the left side of the pistol.  It pretty much has to be through the trigger guard given how much of the finger is visible.  If it was passing in front of the finger guard, not as much of her finger would be visible.  I believe the assessment made in the comments is correct.  She screwed the pooch on this one.
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Re: Sig P320 pistols go boom by themselves
« Reply #33 on: March 16, 2025, 12:59:13 PM »
Quote from: RocketMan on March 16, 2025, 07:08:20 AM
If you pause the video just before she attempts to holster the weapon you can clearly see a finger pointing out the left side of the pistol.  It pretty much has to be through the trigger guard given how much of the finger is visible.  If it was passing in front of the finger guard, not as much of her finger would be visible.  I believe the assessment made in the comments is correct.  She screwed the pooch on this one.
Going through the video on pause, I think that is her ring and pinky finger.  The finger-less gloves mess with the perspective IMO.  Going slowly right after the shot as she lets go of the gun, I can only see 3 fingers at first.  The ring and pinky finger and the one that was indexed.  It could just be the gloves again I guess. 

I am picking up my pistol and trying to do index the middle finger with my trigger finger in the trigger guard.  That feels very awkward.  Was this a new shooter?

Lastly, it seems to me the pistol got too far down in the holster for the finger to be the cause of the shot.  I am not completely certain.  Just looking at it once she lets go, there isn't much trigger guard open for a finger to be there.  But the entire holster gets pushed down a bit right before the shot so it is hard to judge.  She would feel holster on her finger for certain.
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Re: Sig P320 pistols go boom by themselves
« Reply #34 on: March 16, 2025, 01:04:15 PM »
https://x.com/rhodesd812/status/1900729782750318717
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You can see what the problem with the holster is. It's got an upward jag right where the trigger passes by so if you push the top of the gun outward while pushing downward the holster pulls the trigger.
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Re: Sig P320 pistols go boom by themselves
« Reply #35 on: March 16, 2025, 04:11:21 PM »
SIG social media posted that the 18th suit against the for the P230 alleging negligence for a faulty design has been dismissed.  The latest one, Barrios v. SIG Sauer, out of Puerto Rico federal court, was dismissed when the plaintiff admitted the pistol cannot fire without the trigger being pulled.

As to that video, me being a lawyer, gotta wonder why in a training video did they focus that closely on the pistol being holstered unless they were expecting something to happen.

Another point.. the Gray Guns company, which customized the P320, released a statement that they have done a bunch of testing on the P320 in an effort to ensure that they are only putting out safe handguns.  They indicate that they have been unable to get the pistol to fire absent a trigger pull.

I'm interested in some type of evidence as to a test ha gun firing without a trigger pull and explaining how it occurred.
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Re: Sig P320 pistols go boom by themselves
« Reply #36 on: March 16, 2025, 10:36:12 PM »
The video may have been taken to coach people on their mechanics.  However, whoever edited the video may have zoomed in such that you are only seeing a portion of the original.
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Re: Sig P320 pistols go boom by themselves
« Reply #37 on: March 17, 2025, 12:59:16 PM »
Quote from: T.O.M. on March 16, 2025, 04:11:21 PM
SIG social media posted that the 18th suit against the for the P230 alleging negligence for a faulty design has been dismissed.  The latest one, Barrios v. SIG Sauer, out of Puerto Rico federal court, was dismissed when the plaintiff admitted the pistol cannot fire without the trigger being pulled.

As to that video, me being a lawyer, gotta wonder why in a training video did they focus that closely on the pistol being holstered unless they were expecting something to happen.

Another point.. the Gray Guns company, which customized the P320, released a statement that they have done a bunch of testing on the P320 in an effort to ensure that they are only putting out safe handguns.  They indicate that they have been unable to get the pistol to fire absent a trigger pull.

I'm interested in some type of evidence as to a test ha gun firing without a trigger pull and explaining how it occurred.

Brandon Herrera disagrees. Says some former Sig engineers told him otherwise off the record 07:55

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2uHy8YOQexo
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Re: Sig P320 pistols go boom by themselves
« Reply #38 on: March 17, 2025, 01:21:36 PM »
In related news: I had two M17's go down on a range this weekend due to spontaneous disassembly of the slide.  One lost an ejector, and one the backplate fell out.  I haven't had a chance yet to get them into maintenance and see what exactly happened.

Both pistols have under 1000 rds through them.  They are low use guns belonging to the US Army Reserve.

So in addition to Auto-Fire feature, at least some have Auto-Disassembly installed.  I never loved my M9s, but I'm starting to think we should have gone with the M9A4 or G19X MOS
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Re: Sig P320 pistols go boom by themselves
« Reply #39 on: March 17, 2025, 01:37:20 PM »
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Brandon Herrera disagrees. Says some former Sig engineers told him otherwise off the record 07:55

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Re: Sig P320 pistols go boom by themselves
« Reply #40 on: March 17, 2025, 01:42:40 PM »
When my sister started as a police officer they were just issuing 320s. Of a good size city’s LE shipment at least 50 percent had severe issues, including hers which would not fire two magazines reliably. They were able to return them and get their Glocks back from the distributor.
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Re: Sig P320 pistols go boom by themselves
« Reply #41 on: March 17, 2025, 03:42:02 PM »
Quote from: dogmush on March 17, 2025, 01:21:36 PM
In related news: I had two M17's go down on a range this weekend due to spontaneous disassembly of the slide.  One lost an ejector, and one the backplate fell out.  I haven't had a chance yet to get them into maintenance and see what exactly happened.

Both pistols have under 1000 rds through them.  They are low use guns belonging to the US Army Reserve.

So in addition to Auto-Fire feature, at least some have Auto-Disassembly installed.  I never loved my M9s, but I'm starting to think we should have gone with the M9A4 or G19X MOS

I have an M9A4.  They are nice.  The only issue is the DA/SA trigger is a little different and requires some practice for good accuracy. 

I also have a P320.  I have several different grip modules for it and a bunch of magazines, but I never had any reliability issues.  It is still not my best shooter so I never got around to carrying it.  Been a safe queen for a while now.
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