Something went wrong

[Hawkmoon]

From an article about the Texas nurse who contracted Ebola:

"Something went wrong, and we need to find out why and what," said Dr. Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases.

The woman, identified by CNN affiliate WFAA as Nina Pham, took basic precautions while treating an Ebola-stricken Liberian national at a Dallas hospital. Now she is the first person to have contracted the deadly virus in the United States.

There are few details that are known about what might have gone wrong. She wore a mask, gown, shield and gloves when treating Thomas Eric Duncan, who was in isolation at Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital, officials said.

But on Monday, Dr. Tom Frieden, director of the CDC, told reporters that it's still unknown how the infection occurred, only that a "breach in protocol" for treating a patient happened.

Especially considering the potential consequences, it strikes me as incredibly short-sighted (as in "stupid") to immediately proclaim that the infection must be due to a "breach in protocol." What if the protocol was adhered to assiduously, but the protocol itself is inadequate?

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

The nurse in italy thinks she touched her  face getting outa suit


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[MechAg94]

Do they not disinfect the suit a bit before they take it off? 

[brimic]

From an article about the Texas nurse who contracted Ebola:

Especially considering the potential consequences, it strikes me as incredibly short-sighted (as in "stupid") to immediately proclaim that the infection must be due to a breach in protocol." What if the protocol was adhered to assiduously, but the protocol itself is inadequate?

I'm right there with you.
There seems to be an epidemic of demonizing of health care workers going around, as well as a lot of misinformation about  A disease that is only handled under level 4 containment by researchers.

[Ron]

Well if the health care workers just did everything perfectly under perfect conditions then we wouldn't have a problem; everything would be perfect.

[AmbulanceDriver]

Brimic, that's an excellent point.   There is a correct protocol for people dealing with Ebola and other uber-nasty bugs.   But BSL-IV is only appropriate for labs and research facilities.  I don't know of a single hospital that is set up to actually implement BSL-IV procedures or equipment.  Having said that, it is possible to have appropriate PPE outside of a laboratory for use in patient care. 

[Neemi]

Do they not disinfect the suit a bit before they take it off? 

Nope. When we're lucky, we have plastic gowns to use. We usually just have flimsy (and porous) paper gowns to wear. They're next to useless if you're dealing with anything wet.

When I wear them, they get ripped off and thrown away after a single use. I don't care if they say they're reusable, I'm not trusting a paper gown.

[brimic]

Brimic, that's an excellent point.   There is a correct protocol for people dealing with Ebola and other uber-nasty bugs.   But BSL-IV is only appropriate for labs and research facilities.  I don't know of a single hospital that is set up to actually implement BSL-IV procedures or equipment.  Having said that, it is possible to have appropriate PPE outside of a laboratory for use in patient care. 

Sure, put patient in a bubble. Level 4 is much mire about engineering controls than ppe.
I'm familiar with and trained with level-a hazmat suits.... I wouldn't want to wear one of those any linger than necessary.

[TommyGunn]

The nurse in italy thinks she touched her  face getting outa suit


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I thought she was in Spain ... is there another one?

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

You are right Spain . They all look alike


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[KD5NRH]

I'm familiar with and trained with level-a hazmat suits.... I wouldn't want to wear one of those any linger than necessary.

Much rather wear one for days on end than get Ebola.

[brimic]

Much rather wear one for days on end than get Ebola.

True. Sort of like the saying that wearing all of the motorcycle leathers is a lot less hot and uncomfortable than road rash.

[MechAg94]

Nope. When we're lucky, we have plastic gowns to use. We usually just have flimsy (and porous) paper gowns to wear. They're next to useless if you're dealing with anything wet.

When I wear them, they get ripped off and thrown away after a single use. I don't care if they say they're reusable, I'm not trusting a paper gown.

Just thinking about them saying she touch her face.  Well, get some disinfectant spray that works on ebola and spray the people down before they take all that stuff off.  I know there are ways to take it off without touching.  Either way, it sounds like the CDC doesn't want to admit they or the Nation's hospitals might not be 100% ready.