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Re: 3 D printed foods for the troops
« Reply #1 on: November 04, 2014, 01:16:46 PM »
Didn't read the entire article but just how in the hell is Joe supposed to hump a printer and have power for said printer in the bush so he can have his meal when needed?
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Re: 3 D printed foods for the troops
« Reply #2 on: November 04, 2014, 01:20:09 PM »
Didn't read the entire article but just how in the hell is Joe supposed to hump a printer and have power for said printer in the bush so he can have his meal when needed?

They'll just trade 5.56 for .17HMR to save even more weight.

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Re: 3 D printed foods for the troops
« Reply #3 on: November 04, 2014, 01:45:08 PM »
Didn't read the entire article but just how in the hell is Joe supposed to hump a printer and have power for said printer in the bush so he can have his meal when needed?

Probably more like "dial a hospital meal" rather than MRE's while on patrol. That's actually not a bad idea. You can dial the consistency, as well as nutrition.

Maybe as a replacement for field kitchens.
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Re: 3 D printed foods for the troops
« Reply #4 on: November 04, 2014, 01:52:54 PM »
I give it exactly 15 minutes after field adoption that some Marines hack it, make it print the food in the shape of a penis, and then serve it up to whoever they're pranking/hazing that day.
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Re: 3 D printed foods for the troops
« Reply #5 on: November 04, 2014, 02:00:58 PM »
I give it exactly 15 minutes after field adoption that some Marines hack it, make it print the food in the shape of a penis, and then serve it up to whoever they're pranking/hazing that day.

Just wait for the "assorted turd and roadkill shapes" expansion pack.

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Re: 3 D printed foods for the troops
« Reply #6 on: November 04, 2014, 03:09:02 PM »
I give it exactly 15 minutes after field adoption that some Marines hack it, make it print the food in the shape of a penis, and then serve it up to whoever they're pranking/hazing that day.

I say less than that regardless of branch.
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Re: 3 D printed foods for the troops
« Reply #7 on: November 05, 2014, 04:09:34 PM »
Dad was a food research chemist* with the Quartermaster Corps/Natick R&D.  The mission was to cram as many calories into as small a package, that would remain edible for as long as possible, in such a manner that a hungry troop would actually choke it down.  Shape/size/weight were often driving forces due to the amount of space available/allotted to delivery.  Eye appeal never entered into the equation, even when "volunteer" taste testers commented on the resemblance to various objects (turd, vomit, roadkill were so frequently referrenced that the lab folks stopped worrying about that as a negative rating.)

What few understand is that what is provided to the troops is what survived a line of other stuff that was rejected.  There were a few absolutely wonderful, tasty meals that came out, but for the most part ppalatability was defined as what could (not "would") be choked down and held down that met the caloric/vitamins/minerals/electrolytes goal.

There were also lots of good and amazing things that came out of Natick Food Labs.  Flash dehydration improved on flash freezing.  Untrapasteurization morphed from milk to all sorts of "liquid" foods.  Lots of what Gerber and Beechnut do with baby foods is with patents that came out of Natick.  And the list goes on.

Sadly, except for the LRRP ChiliMac all I got were the not-ready-for-prime-time menu items.  Yes, those bastages took stuff home to try on their families before they exposed the taste testers to it.

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Re: 3 D printed foods for the troops
« Reply #8 on: November 05, 2014, 05:28:19 PM »
I say less than that regardless of branch.

Marines will be the slow ones.  15 minutes is when the LAST service manages to do it. ;)

The USAF one will be a photorealistic model at 10X magnification.  ;)

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Re: 3 D printed foods for the troops
« Reply #9 on: November 07, 2014, 12:17:12 PM »
Dad was a food research chemist* with the Quartermaster Corps/Natick R&D.  The mission was to cram as many calories into as small a package, that would remain edible for as long as possible, in such a manner that a hungry troop would actually choke it down.  Shape/size/weight were often driving forces due to the amount of space available/allotted to delivery.  Eye appeal never entered into the equation, even when "volunteer" taste testers commented on the resemblance to various objects (turd, vomit, roadkill were so frequently referrenced that the lab folks stopped worrying about that as a negative rating.)

What few understand is that what is provided to the troops is what survived a line of other stuff that was rejected.  There were a few absolutely wonderful, tasty meals that came out, but for the most part ppalatability was defined as what could (not "would") be choked down and held down that met the caloric/vitamins/minerals/electrolytes goal.

There were also lots of good and amazing things that came out of Natick Food Labs.  Flash dehydration improved on flash freezing.  Untrapasteurization morphed from milk to all sorts of "liquid" foods.  Lots of what Gerber and Beechnut do with baby foods is with patents that came out of Natick.  And the list goes on.

Absolutely every last person who has had to survive on MREs very much understands that.  =D

Honestly, MREs have come a long way and are a lot better tasting than even when I first joined up. Mad props to the food geeks for their hard work.  Honestly, I don't think anyone really cared about how it looked, because most of us ate it mechanically. Once we figure out how to jam all of the nutritional metrics into the food and make it taste good, we can start to worry about appearance. I would argue that making it taste good is as important as making it nutritional. Anyone that has been in the field for weeks knows how it can become a significant morale issue.
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Re: 3 D printed foods for the troops
« Reply #10 on: November 07, 2014, 12:57:19 PM »
Once we figure out how to jam all of the nutritional metrics into the food and make it taste good, we can start to worry about appearance.

More than appearance would be ergonomic portions; fitting maximum food value into a cargo pocket, for example, while maintaining meal and/or "snack on the move" portions, or designing survival rations that can be tucked into odd bits of dead space in equipment.  Obviously these are also dependent on making a food product that goes beyond normal "shelf stable," and allowing for packaging, but it wouldn't be too hard to improve on the MRE's space efficiency, especially when it comes to maximizing pack and/or pocket space.

Of course, with even more control over the mechanical properties, you could go so far as to make non-life-essential gear edible for survival situations.  A field manual or cheacklist book that provides a couple thousand calories, or edible vehicle headrest stuffing, for example.

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Re: 3 D printed foods for the troops
« Reply #11 on: November 07, 2014, 12:59:11 PM »
Something else to consider is making the packaging easy and quiet to carry out so you don't leave anymore of a trace of you being where you have been as necessary.
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Re: 3 D printed foods for the troops
« Reply #12 on: November 07, 2014, 01:10:11 PM »
Something else to consider is making the packaging easy and quiet to carry out so you don't leave anymore of a trace of you being where you have been as necessary.

Again on controlling mechanical properties; if you could make an edible cloth, then coat it with a thin layer of food-safe plastic or rubber on one side, you could then eat most of the thickness of the wrapper.  It could even be water soluble so you don't have to try to chew it off.

Of course, on a "what can we do now" level, most of the stuff in my 72 hour kit is packed in the dollar store Ziploc knockoffs that are softer and even less rustly than full price Ziplocs.  Pretty sure I make more noise chewing than handling those bags.  In-camp repacking of MREs and other food to reusable cloth and silent plastic bags before going out might be an option.