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.357 toys
« on: November 18, 2014, 03:13:26 PM »
My new grip inserts for the SP101 came in from Chigs Grips. Seems like a good excuse for a group photo. Now if I could ever find time to go to the range ...





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Re: .357 toys
« Reply #1 on: November 18, 2014, 03:35:04 PM »
sweet. :)

which reminds me, I need to do another "Wheel of HKs" picture with the new addition.
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Re: .357 toys
« Reply #2 on: November 18, 2014, 08:31:38 PM »
Yes you should. And I need to take some better pics. That one is blurry but I was in a hurry.
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Re: .357 toys
« Reply #3 on: November 18, 2014, 09:07:05 PM »
go pull out HKs galore... missing a P7.

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Re: .357 toys
« Reply #4 on: November 19, 2014, 09:04:30 AM »
 I love a good .357 as much as the next guy.  Wish I could afford more.   =D

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Re: .357 toys
« Reply #5 on: November 19, 2014, 10:14:22 AM »
Hammerless .357 revolver is close to the top of my list for next pistol purchase.
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Re: .357 toys
« Reply #6 on: November 19, 2014, 10:15:43 AM »
Love those.  I'm just down to 1 357 now though, (4" blued security six) gave my SP101 to my aunt last summer.

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Re: .357 toys
« Reply #7 on: November 19, 2014, 02:35:13 PM »
Hammerless .357 revolver is close to the top of my list for next pistol purchase.

it's been on my wish list for awhile now.

I could kill Dad. He had several hammerless .38 specials over the course of many years, but he'd always trade them in on something else. *sigh* It wouldn't be .357, but one of those would make the longing a little easier to handle.
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Re: .357 toys
« Reply #8 on: November 19, 2014, 02:42:42 PM »
couple more, a 19-3 and a GP100

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Re: .357 toys
« Reply #9 on: November 19, 2014, 02:58:27 PM »
Hammerless .357 revolver is close to the top of my list for next pistol purchase.

I looked at one of those for CCW.  Decided to go with the shrouded hammer 649 instead.  I practice DA with it, but it's nice to know I have the option of SA.

A coworker of mine let me shoot his S&W 340PD, the little 11oz flyweight .357 J Frame.  I used to think I wanted one, but holy crap.  I made myself put one cylinder each of standard pressure .38, .38+P and full house .357 magnum through it.  The experience can best be described as "Ouch", "Oh, wow, that was unpleasant", and "HOLY #$%^&*, THAT #$%^&* HURT!"

I guess if I re-take the picture I should arrange them around my Marlin 1894C .357. 
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Re: .357 toys
« Reply #10 on: November 19, 2014, 03:02:22 PM »
it's been on my wish list for awhile now.

I could kill Dad. He had several hammerless .38 specials over the course of many years, but he'd always trade them in on something else. *sigh* It wouldn't be .357, but one of those would make the longing a little easier to handle.

Mom has a Lady Smith in .38 special that I've been trying to talk her out of for awhile now.
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Re: .357 toys
« Reply #11 on: November 19, 2014, 03:12:16 PM »
I looked at one of those for CCW.  Decided to go with the shrouded hammer 649 instead.  I practice DA with it, but it's nice to know I have the option of SA.

A coworker of mine let me shoot his S&W 340PD, the little 11oz flyweight .357 J Frame.  I used to think I wanted one, but holy crap.  I made myself put one cylinder each of standard pressure .38, .38+P and full house .357 magnum through it.  The experience can best be described as "Ouch", "Oh, wow, that was unpleasant", and "HOLY #$%^&*, THAT #$%^&* HURT!"

I guess if I re-take the picture I should arrange them around my Marlin 1894C .357. 

I'll be honest, I've never really understood the appeal of the weightless wonders. I shot a .38 and didn't have issues, but .357?
um. no. I'm not that much a recoil junky.

besides, an SD pistol should always be able to double as a bludgeon weapon. ;)
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Re: .357 toys
« Reply #12 on: November 19, 2014, 03:15:27 PM »
BryanP wept and wiped his eyes as follows ;) :

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A coworker of mine let me shoot his S&W 340PD, the little 11oz flyweight .357 J Frame.  I used to think I wanted one, but holy crap.  I made myself put one cylinder each of standard pressure .38, .38+P and full house .357 magnum through it.  The experience can best be described as "Ouch", "Oh, wow, that was unpleasant", and "HOLY #$%^&*, THAT #$%^&* HURT!"

My son tried mine out with full-house .357s before I did and likened the recoil to being hit with a heavy ball-pien hammer.  So I was ensmartened and worked my way up from .38 target wadcutters through standard .38s and then to 125 +P .38s.

That was as far as I wanted to go, thank you very much.  I too, began to weep a little.  Let's face it, if the gun were as light as the bullet, it would be just as dangerous on the back end as the front end.

After years of owning SA/DA revolvers, I once told my other son that I almost never fired them DA.  Now I carry a steel DA-only J-frame all the time and haven't fired a single-action hardly at all in the past couple of years.

No, I'm not such a stubborn old coot as everyone thinks, and I can change my mind once in a while if enough pain is involved.

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Re: .357 toys
« Reply #13 on: November 20, 2014, 08:01:40 AM »
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Ha!  I've already got arthritis in my hands and I'm just not into pain, thanks.  I used to carry a S&W 638, but even that was too light.  I just couldn't practice well with it, so I bought a 649 more for the added weight/beefiness than the fact that it will fire .357.  It makes quite a difference in how well I can shoot it.  I'm already a mediocre shot at best, so I will take what advantages I can find.
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Re: .357 toys
« Reply #14 on: November 20, 2014, 09:00:34 AM »
I have a hefty stainless steel J-Frame in 357 mag.  357 Mag rounds hurt your wrist even with the heavier model.  You can fire handful, but not many.  38 special is okay though.  If I really needed it, I always figured it wouldn't matter. 

BryanP wept and wiped his eyes as follows ;) :

My son tried mine out with full-house .357s before I did and likened the recoil to being hit with a heavy ball-pien hammer.  So I was ensmartened and worked my way up from .38 target wadcutters through standard .38s and then to 125 +P .38s.

That was as far as I wanted to go, thank you very much.  I too, began to weep a little.  Let's face it, if the gun were as light as the bullet, it would be just as dangerous on the back end as the front end.

After years of owning SA/DA revolvers, I once told my other son that I almost never fired them DA.  Now I carry a steel DA-only J-frame all the time and haven't fired a single-action hardly at all in the past couple of years.

No, I'm not such a stubborn old coot as everyone thinks, and I can change my mind once in a while if enough pain is involved.

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Re: .357 toys
« Reply #15 on: November 20, 2014, 12:01:20 PM »
This is a little ways away from "357s" but here's how I do it and some may be useful for the .357s.

There are two almost mechanically-identical versions of the S&W 340.  This is the titanium/scandium one called the "Airlite," in .357.

http://picturearchive.gunauction.com/1912728/7534427/94db6eabc5cd39cf10593902cc1f9d20.jpg

The steel version is the "Airweight" in +P 38 Special* and doesn't have the cutesy "atom" logo on it.

I have both, but carry the steel version, which I load with .38 +Ps.

I got Crimson Trace (CT) laser sight grips for it, and I found that holding it in two hands with it pressed close to the lower part of my rib cage is the way to go, for me.  This way, the muzzle flash is below one's line of sight (I practice with the range lights off) and the fact that it's braced against my body affords excellent steadiness with that laser dot on the target.  Holding it as if I were using the iron sights is discouraging because the laser emphasizes my wobble.  

The trouble is the CT grips are not the same configuration as the factory grips and not as comfortable under recoil (again, even with .38s), and it throws the switch button out from under your middle finger when the gun does off and you have to re-settle the gun in your hands to turn on the laser again.

I halfway cured this problem by using a dab of RTV over the switch button, but after two cylinders full, the dab of RTV fell off.  I then glued (with RTV) a stiff sponge rubber "button" made with a paper punch through an old mouse pad onto it, and so far, that seems to work.

That was one problem with the CT grips.  The other problem was that when I mounted them on the gun, I had to carve some material off them in one spot to make them fit properly on the gun, and had to re-bend the battery clips to get the battery in.

I wrote to CT about that (with close-up photos of the problem) and got zero response.  I was extremely disappointed with them for not responding.

Crimson Trace can sign onto this board and PM me if they want to apologize.

I was going to write to them about increasing the size of the laser button, but I decided that since Crimson Trace ignored my first letter regarding the modifications I had to make, the hell with them.

However, use of the laser (especially in dim light) and holding the gun with two hands down at the bottom of my rib cage seems to be "the way to go" with this gun, and it's my every day carry gun, either in a pants pocket (summer) or my coat pocket (winter).  

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* They rate the gun as OK for +Ps, but note that the overhaul period will be shorter with a constant diet of +Ps.

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Re: .357 toys
« Reply #16 on: November 20, 2014, 12:48:24 PM »
I have a hefty stainless steel J-Frame in 357 mag.  357 Mag rounds hurt your wrist even with the heavier model.  You can fire handful, but not many.  38 special is okay though.  If I really needed it, I always figured it wouldn't matter.  


yup.   I've shot maybe 10 rounds total of.357 through my Taurus 605.  All steel, a couple oz. lighter than a Ruger SP-101.  It's right on the edge of being "too much".   I look down, surprised the gun is still together.
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« Reply #17 on: November 20, 2014, 12:55:56 PM »
I've shot a lot of people's 340s that they were scared to shoot. The recoil is not painful. The recoil opening your hand up enough to feed your trigger finger to the trigger guard is painful. Not sure how to solve that if I get one. May solve it by getting a bigger trigger guard, local shop has a 386 for sale which is the scandium/Ti version of a 686. They also have whatever the flyweight .44spl right next to it.
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« Reply #18 on: November 20, 2014, 04:15:46 PM »
JayG (http://www.ma-rooned.com/ ) many years ago named the Airlight "The Snubbie From Hell".  He was not the first.

The only thing I've ever found that was worse was the WSP Downsizer (http://www.everydaynodaysoff.com/2011/07/15/downsizer-wsp-worlds-smallest-pistol/  & http://www.ma-rooned.com/2010/11/friday-gun-pr0n-191.html ) but the fun/strange factor let me sucker folks into trying it for two shots.  I've never met anyone who looked at The Snubbie From Hell and said anything resembling "How cute!  Lemme give it a try."

I paid $350 for it, made somewhere in the neighborhood of $1500 suckering folks, and sold it for $7K.  Let's see anybody do that with the 340PD.

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« Reply #19 on: November 20, 2014, 05:27:29 PM »
^ "I paid $350 for it, made somewhere in the neighborhood of $1500 suckering folks, and sold it for $7K.  Let's see anybody do that with the 340PD."

LOL

You wanna PM me that guy's phone number?
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« Reply #20 on: November 20, 2014, 09:44:16 PM »
I originally quoted him $5K - a number I grabbed out of thin air years earlier when some guy at a gun show asked me "How much?"

He kept telling me about the one that sold 3 months ago for $__, and the one last year that went for $__.  Every time he did I bumped up the price, knowing he really, really, really wanted it.  $7K + overnight to his FFL + full insurance + time & mileage.

And you think I'm going to tell you how to get in touch with my pigeon?  One day he just might want something else.

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« Reply #21 on: November 21, 2014, 03:32:24 AM »
Well, if you never ask, you never get a yes.  Works with women, too.
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« Reply #22 on: November 21, 2014, 07:24:55 AM »
At least I don't want to slap your face.

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