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Re: Miniature battleship, real guns
« Reply #1 on: August 06, 2015, 01:37:37 AM »
.38Spl and .22lr for the guns.  As long as they're not full-auto I don't' think transfer would be a huge problem, at least outside of CA.  Unless there's some fed.gov prohibition on vehicle mounted and remotely fired guns.
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Re: Miniature battleship, real guns
« Reply #2 on: August 06, 2015, 08:07:35 AM »
Damn love to have a spare $3500 laying around.
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Re: Miniature battleship, real guns
« Reply #3 on: August 06, 2015, 08:17:33 AM »
I'm surprised commiefornia hasn't confiscated and "destroyed" it.
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Re: Miniature battleship, real guns
« Reply #4 on: August 06, 2015, 09:03:53 PM »
Be a good thing to have around when the California Megaflood hits.
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Re: Miniature battleship, real guns
« Reply #5 on: August 06, 2015, 09:22:41 PM »
Did not read the original articles, but it's interesting that he used telephone dialing equipment for his control system.

Easy enough to hook an old fashioned rotary pulse dialer to a transmitter... just plug it into the Morse code jack on a transmitter.  Dial a 4, and the transmitter sends out four quick pulses, just as if you used a Morse code key to send an H : dot-dot-dot-dot.

On the ship, he probably used telephone exchange stepping relays connected to the receiver which would kick over to the fourth position and cause, say, gun #4 to fire:

http://www.technology.niagarac.on.ca/people/mcsele/images/telephoneImages/UniSteppingRelay.jpg

Or, for more complex control, the first set of pulses could set other receiving stepper relays to prepare for a category of commands, like 3 pulses to set up for steering,  4 pulses for speed control, etc.  Then the next set of pulses would say what to do, like steer left or speed up, or whatever.

It's amazing what the telephone companies could do in terms of directing calls just with relay pulses.  (But what a Truth Table!)

Just noodling out how he might have done it --but could not read the actual article.

I'm not clear on how he got killed --whether it was by one of the ship's guns or a handgun he was working on.

Could have been a case of "Boy, did I get a wrong number!" and "Always keep your battleship pointed in a safe direction."

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Side note on early R/C stuff as I recall it:

I never got into it myself, but my brother built an R/C plane according to the R/C technology of the time (ca. mid-late 40s).   The rudder-only control system was an escapement mechanism powered by a wound-up rubber band.  Each pulse received would kick the rudder over a step at a time: One pulse, left, next pulse back to neutral, next pulse right rudder, last pulse back to neutral or something like that.

So from a neutral straight-ahead flight, to make a right turn, you sent three pulses:  left, back to neutral, then right.  Then a single pulse to return to rudder-neutral.  I never saw him fly it, but the description was that the planes necessarily "wobbled" in controlling the flight direction since you had to go through the proper number of pulses to control it.  Just all as I recall it.
« Last Edit: August 06, 2015, 09:55:58 PM by 230RN »
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Re: Miniature battleship, real guns
« Reply #6 on: August 07, 2015, 06:25:57 PM »
I would much prefer to have something like this:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1902169/posts

This turned up in a search. I thought I remembered someone building a replica of the Missouri that could be driven by a live adult -- haven't found it yet.
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Re: Miniature battleship, real guns
« Reply #7 on: August 07, 2015, 10:25:25 PM »
Makes me wonder if he scaled the whole ship to these cartridges :D :

http://www.bismarck-class.dk/shipmodels/german_models/pictures/admiralgrafspeeterra/admiralgrafspeeterra16.jpg

By scaling to the model sailors, those look like they're supposed to be the German equivalent of our 5" naval rifles.  What would that be for the Germans, 120mm?  Look too big for 88s.
The cupro jackets kind of threw me, but with all the other detail, that's pretty minor.

Wonder what those are anyhow, any guesses?   (My search engine is down right now, can't pull up specs or images for comparisons for some reason.)

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Re: Miniature battleship, real guns
« Reply #8 on: August 08, 2015, 02:13:20 AM »
Makes me wonder if he scaled the whole ship to these cartridges :D :

http://www.bismarck-class.dk/shipmodels/german_models/pictures/admiralgrafspeeterra/admiralgrafspeeterra16.jpg

By scaling to the model sailors, those look like they're supposed to be the German equivalent of our 5" naval rifles.  What would that be for the Germans, 120mm?  Look too big for 88s.
The cupro jackets kind of threw me, but with all the other detail, that's pretty minor.

Wonder what those are anyhow, any guesses?   (My search engine is down right now, can't pull up specs or images for comparisons for some reason.)

Great find!

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I'm betting the rounds used are .30-30 as they are rimmed, and probably fairly easy to find.  It looks like they've been de=primed and the powder removed.
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Re: Miniature battleship, real guns
« Reply #9 on: August 08, 2015, 05:18:46 AM »
^ I kind of thought that from the lengths of the necks, but I wasn't sure.
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