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Re: Oshkosh to build new Humvee
« Reply #1 on: August 26, 2015, 03:40:16 PM »
Does that mean the 'b'Gosh' division will handle the H2 and H3 variants?

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Re: Oshkosh to build new Humvee
« Reply #2 on: August 26, 2015, 03:56:21 PM »
Aren't those more like logistical vehicles, or maybe reconnaissance vehicles?
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Re: Oshkosh to build new Humvee
« Reply #3 on: August 26, 2015, 04:31:57 PM »
Aren't those more like logistical vehicles, or maybe reconnaissance vehicles?

JLTV is a HMMWV replacement.  So, log?  Yes.  Light recon?  Yes.  Tow mortars?  Yes.  Whatever you see a HMMWV doing, the JLTV will do.  Eventually.

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Re: Oshkosh to build new Humvee
« Reply #4 on: August 26, 2015, 05:43:02 PM »
Disconnect, but not sure if on the part of the reporter or the source(s).

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The contract is a timely boost for Oshkosh, which eliminated about 760 jobs last year because of declining defense spending. The company plans to build the vehicle in Oshkosh, with deliveries beginning in 10 months.

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The company initially plans to hire about 100 salaried employees, Szews said, and more production employees might be hired later. Production would begin in two to three years and would ramp up from a few hundred vehicles per year to 3,000 vehicles per year under the contract, he said.

How are they going to begin deliveries in ten months if production isn't going to start for two to three years?
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Re: Oshkosh to build new Humvee
« Reply #5 on: August 26, 2015, 06:48:04 PM »
Flux capacitor standard.

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Re: Oshkosh to build new Humvee
« Reply #6 on: August 26, 2015, 06:51:25 PM »
That's a MATV...
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Re: Oshkosh to build new Humvee
« Reply #7 on: August 26, 2015, 07:26:35 PM »
Are folks really thinking all sorts of serviceable HUMVEEs are going to be hitting the surplus market?

We know the condition of the free stuff DoD turned over to law enforcement.  I'm thinking that even the vehicles that have never been sent to the sandbox and then returned to the motorpool will not be kept on full-bore PM schedules now that it is known they are going to be replaced.

I just have faith in MT - if it makes it out the compound gate it was in running condition when it left and any problems were then caused by the operator.

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Re: Oshkosh to build new Humvee
« Reply #8 on: August 26, 2015, 07:42:20 PM »
Hell they don't get full bore PM now. HMMWV services are the first thing dropped when mission tempo increases.

Also, let me state this clearly. You don't want an 1115 or 1165 for a vehicle. They suck. They are slow, heavy, thirsty, loud, maintenance intensive, with crappy handling and worse brakes. You also can't see out of them. The $1000  (each) windshields aren't UV stable and need to be replaced every 2-3 years, the roof leaks even if there isn't a turret. The seats suck. I could go on.

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Re: Oshkosh to build new Humvee
« Reply #9 on: August 26, 2015, 10:19:20 PM »
I understand Oskosh bidding they make HD commercial trucks and mill equipment already. I see am general bidding, but why lockheed?
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Re: Oshkosh to build new Humvee
« Reply #10 on: August 26, 2015, 10:34:14 PM »
I understand Oskosh bidding they make HD commercial trucks and mill equipment already. I see am general bidding, but why lockheed?
What do they do for hardware that has wheels on it without wings?

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Re: Oshkosh to build new Humvee
« Reply #11 on: August 26, 2015, 11:32:55 PM »
The Humvee was not bad when it was new and came in two flavors. HMMWV. The gov't forgot the whole light thing that got them the high mobility. Multipurpose? Sure, let's make it a tank! Want a tank, buy a tank.

Maybe we need to bring back bare bones jeeps. 2-3 guys, Javelin launcher or an MG, shoot and get gone. Our lumbering convoy wars with trucks turned into tanks is odd. Send tanks on the convoy route if you have problems.
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Re: Oshkosh to build new Humvee
« Reply #12 on: August 27, 2015, 08:05:50 AM »
The Humvee was not bad when it was new and came in two flavors. HMMWV. The gov't forgot the whole light thing that got them the high mobility. Multipurpose? Sure, let's make it a tank! Want a tank, buy a tank.

Maybe we need to bring back bare bones jeeps. 2-3 guys, Javelin launcher or an MG, shoot and get gone. Our lumbering convoy wars with trucks turned into tanks is odd. Send tanks on the convoy route if you have problems.

This, the MATV is a huge, heavy vehicle.  They aren't meant to be used like the Humvee.   :facepalm:
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Re: Oshkosh to build new Humvee
« Reply #13 on: August 27, 2015, 08:24:36 AM »
http://www.lockheedmartin.com/us/what-we-do/aerospace-defense/ground-vehicles.html

Was that a resurrected and beefed up MULE https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._Military_M274_Truck,_Platform,_Utility_1/2_Ton,_4X4 I saw there?

They were great with a 106mm recoiless rifle mounted as long as you remembered two rules -
1 - no firing while the driver was still mounted
2 - no firing until all carried cargo was out of the backblast zone

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Re: Oshkosh to build new Humvee
« Reply #14 on: August 27, 2015, 08:31:30 AM »
Fwiw, that truck is NOT an M-ATV. It looks the same in pictures,  but it's smaller and lighter.  In person is obviously smaller.  I want to say the design requirement was less than 15,000lbs so it can be slung under -47's.

I've seen all three JLTV's in person,  and while they are complicated,  and I great could be maintenance intensive,  they ate good trucks.  Better for the role then up armoured HMMWV's for sure

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Re: Oshkosh to build new Humvee
« Reply #15 on: August 27, 2015, 09:08:41 AM »
It's what all the cool kids in ISIL will be driving next year.
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Re: Oshkosh to build new Humvee
« Reply #16 on: August 27, 2015, 09:41:45 AM »
Hell they don't get full bore PM now. HMMWV services are the first thing dropped when mission tempo increases.

Also, let me state this clearly. You don't want an 1115 or 1165 for a vehicle. They suck. They are slow, heavy, thirsty, loud, maintenance intensive, with crappy handling and worse brakes. You also can't see out of them. The $1000  (each) windshields aren't UV stable and need to be replaced every 2-3 years, the roof leaks even if there isn't a turret. The seats suck. I could go on.
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Re: Oshkosh to build new Humvee
« Reply #17 on: August 27, 2015, 09:43:48 AM »
The Humvee was not bad when it was new and came in two flavors. HMMWV. The gov't forgot the whole light thing that got them the high mobility. Multipurpose? Sure, let's make it a tank! Want a tank, buy a tank.

Maybe we need to bring back bare bones jeeps. 2-3 guys, Javelin launcher or an MG, shoot and get gone. Our lumbering convoy wars with trucks turned into tanks is odd. Send tanks on the convoy route if you have problems.
Yes, this was brought up several years ago when Iraq was still hot and everyone was screaming at the military about why all our vehicles were not up-armored and mine resistant.  The Humvee was never meant to be an armored vehicle.  It was a Jeep replacement. 
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Re: Oshkosh to build new Humvee
« Reply #18 on: August 27, 2015, 09:46:22 AM »

At a glance I'm wondering about PMCS and maintenance. That looks more maintenance intensive, and you're going to need heavier gear to service it. It's an armored car, not a Jeep.

Looks like cargo space is more limited than a HMMWV. Doesn't look comfy to sleep in, but comfier to sleep under. Grille shape doesn't make me happy, as PFC's will be hitting deer, concrete posts, parked five ton's they couldn't see, etc. Mirrors can't be safely adjusted in transit. I do like the more exposed tire wells. Honestly, the cargo area looks like the weakest element. With a HMMWV, you can have two casualties laying side by side. With this, you can have one. It looks more like a hopper in the back. Ok, good for improvised firing platform. Bad for hauling gear.

Not saying vehicles shouldn't be designed for war. Far from it. But people may live out of these things for weeks at a time.

So, as an uparmored HMMWV, better.
For an non-armored HMMWV, not better. It won't haul the same amount of stuff unless they significantly redesign the bed, which hopefully won't be too expensive.

It'd work out fine if you decrease the ratio of cars to trucks. Buy less HMMWV replacements, increase number of LMTV's and MTV's on the MTOE. Of course, that means more bodies packed into truck beds, which defines "high valued target" for IED folks.
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Re: Oshkosh to build new Humvee
« Reply #19 on: August 27, 2015, 10:24:01 AM »
When I first saw these during pre-mob I thought they looked like a Mustang on steroids.
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Re: Oshkosh to build new Humvee
« Reply #20 on: August 27, 2015, 10:36:32 AM »
knew a guy that had a Hunvee some years back.  Yes, it was not a civilian vehicle.  It was great off road though.

Would be too wide for many trails  =(
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Re: Oshkosh to build new Humvee
« Reply #21 on: August 27, 2015, 10:44:33 AM »
I've always wanted to get my hands on a couple of FLA's, ambulance models.  Would make a great hunting/camping rig due to being somewhat climate controlled.
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