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Hypocrisy, thy name is ...
« on: November 05, 2015, 10:51:25 AM »
... Krzysztof Charamsa

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/E/EU_SPAIN_POLAND_GAY_PRIEST?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2015-11-05-07-24-23

Former Vatican priest, a member of the clergy in a religion (denomination) teaching that priests should remain celibate and that homosexuality (even between non priests) is a sin, claims now that he has been fired that the Church is "lying."

I don't necessarily agree with everything the Roman Catholic Church teaches or believes, but I don't agree with everything that most religions and denominations teach and believe. The thing is, religion IS belief. If you don't believe in what the Roman Catholic Church teaches and believes ... why are you calling yourself a Roman Catholic? If priests are supposed to be celibate and you don't want to be celibate, then stop being a priest.

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Re: Hypocrisy, thy name is ...
« Reply #1 on: November 05, 2015, 11:09:41 AM »
"even between non-priests" Uh, well, yeah.  


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"Many priests, many bishops, many persons in Catholic clergy are gay, are homosexual people," Charamsa said. "With sensitivity of homosexuals. But they must hate themselves."


Because disapproval of something equals hatred.  ;/  

I guess the next time anyone calls me out for doing something wrong, I'll just accuse them of "hate."
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Re: Hypocrisy, thy name is ...
« Reply #2 on: November 05, 2015, 11:16:39 AM »
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"Many priests, many bishops, many persons in Catholic clergy are gay, are homosexual people," Charamsa said. "With sensitivity of homosexuals. But they must hate themselves."

"Wretched man that I am! Who will set me free from the body of this death?"

Sure sounds like a guy embracing his own sin, huh? (Note, too, the passage this is taken from (Romans 7) ought to be the one this "bishop" turns to. Because it condemns his acceptance of sin, he will ignore it.)
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Re: Hypocrisy, thy name is ...
« Reply #3 on: November 05, 2015, 12:13:59 PM »
The thing is, religion IS belief. If you don't believe in what the Roman Catholic Church teaches and believes ... why are you calling yourself a Roman Catholic? If priests are supposed to be celibate and you don't want to be celibate, then stop being a priest.

I've often wondered the same thing when I read articles like that. Especially if your religion of choice is one that teaches it is the "one true church" (Catholic, Eastern Orthodox, Oriental Orthodox, Mormonism). If you belong to a religion that says it's the one true religion and is led by God, and you think said church is teaching things that are outright and severely morally wrong ("they teach us to hate teh gayzz!"), you obviously don't actually believe your church is led by God.

At that point, why try to alter the religion you must obviously feel is false? Why not start your own religion that adheres to what you believe to be correct principles, or find one that already does?

I suppose some people like this perhaps feel that their church has gone astray/apostatized a bit and needs some correction, and view themselves as reformers? But in issues like homosexuality, female ordination, and other hot-button SJW vs Organized Religion issues, the church in question has likely pretty much always taught things that way. If you feel your church/religion is wrong and was wrong from the beginning . . . why on earth are you staying in it, trying to alter it?

I suspect in most of these cases the people in question "identify as" Catholic, Mormon, whatever, but don't actually believe much, if any, of what is taught. They simply want the religion they identify as to conform to their beliefs rather than the logical inverse. Or they're simply SJWs using their membership in a "patriarchal and oppressive" organization as an "in" to attack said organization.

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Re: Hypocrisy, thy name is ...
« Reply #4 on: November 05, 2015, 10:45:34 PM »
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Why not start your own religion

Worked well for Hubbard...
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Re: Hypocrisy, thy name is ...
« Reply #5 on: November 05, 2015, 11:55:44 PM »
I've often wondered the same thing when I read articles like that. Especially if your religion of choice is one that teaches it is the "one true church" (Catholic, Eastern Orthodox, Oriental Orthodox, Mormonism). If you belong to a religion that says it's the one true religion and is led by God, and you think said church is teaching things that are outright and severely morally wrong ("they teach us to hate teh gayzz!"), you obviously don't actually believe your church is led by God.

At that point, why try to alter the religion you must obviously feel is false? Why not start your own religion that adheres to what you believe to be correct principles, or find one that already does?

I suppose some people like this perhaps feel that their church has gone astray/apostatized a bit and needs some correction, and view themselves as reformers? But in issues like homosexuality, female ordination, and other hot-button SJW vs Organized Religion issues, the church in question has likely pretty much always taught things that way. If you feel your church/religion is wrong and was wrong from the beginning . . . why on earth are you staying in it, trying to alter it?

I suspect in most of these cases the people in question "identify as" Catholic, Mormon, whatever, but don't actually believe much, if any, of what is taught. They simply want the religion they identify as to conform to their beliefs rather than the logical inverse. Or they're simply SJWs using their membership in a "patriarchal and oppressive" organization as an "in" to attack said organization.

The Left loathes their home religion, as they loathe their home country. They can't simply go away, and let the real Americans, or real Catholics, or real Mormons enjoy their country and/or religion. They must pull it apart from the inside, and ruin it for everyone.
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Re: Hypocrisy, thy name is ...
« Reply #6 on: November 06, 2015, 12:11:47 AM »
The Left loathes their home religion, as they loathe their home country. They can't simply go away, and let the real Americans, or real Catholics, or real Mormons enjoy their country and/or religion. They must pull it apart from the inside, and ruin it for everyone.

That's an excellent summation.

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Re: Hypocrisy, thy name is ...
« Reply #7 on: November 06, 2015, 12:48:48 AM »
Tis kind of you to say so.
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Re: Hypocrisy, thy name is ...
« Reply #8 on: November 06, 2015, 06:04:39 AM »
Another 'drama queen' attacks his church from the inside? Color me shocked,
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Re: Hypocrisy, thy name is ...
« Reply #9 on: November 06, 2015, 03:38:58 PM »
and another issue of course, is going into a situation, knowing full well ,up front, what the rules are, and then doing what you want to do.  When the inevitable happens, the way these guys operate, is to blame everyone but themselves.

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Re: Hypocrisy, thy name is ...
« Reply #10 on: November 06, 2015, 04:32:16 PM »
I've often wondered the same thing when I read articles like that. Especially if your religion of choice is one that teaches it is the "one true church" (Catholic, Eastern Orthodox, Oriental Orthodox, Mormonism). If you belong to a religion that says it's the one true religion and is led by God, and you think said church is teaching things that are outright and severely morally wrong ("they teach us to hate teh gayzz!"), you obviously don't actually believe your church is led by God.

At that point, why try to alter the religion you must obviously feel is false? Why not start your own religion that adheres to what you believe to be correct principles, or find one that already does?

I suppose some people like this perhaps feel that their church has gone astray/apostatized a bit and needs some correction, and view themselves as reformers? But in issues like homosexuality, female ordination, and other hot-button SJW vs Organized Religion issues, the church in question has likely pretty much always taught things that way. If you feel your church/religion is wrong and was wrong from the beginning . . . why on earth are you staying in it, trying to alter it?

I suspect in most of these cases the people in question "identify as" Catholic, Mormon, whatever, but don't actually believe much, if any, of what is taught. They simply want the religion they identify as to conform to their beliefs rather than the logical inverse. Or they're simply SJWs using their membership in a "patriarchal and oppressive" organization as an "in" to attack said organization.

Agreed. I never understood people like this either.
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Re: Hypocrisy, thy name is ...
« Reply #11 on: November 06, 2015, 04:57:12 PM »
Am I the only one that's reminded of people who post frequently on a website mainly for the purpose of disagreeing with the other folks at said website?
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Re: Hypocrisy, thy name is ...
« Reply #12 on: November 07, 2015, 06:41:26 AM »
"Knowledge will forever govern ignorance, and a people who mean to be their own governors, must arm themselves with the power knowledge gives. A popular government without popular information or the means of acquiring it, is but a prologue to a farce or a tragedy or perhaps both"