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Re: Zimmerman -- again
« Reply #75 on: March 25, 2015, 08:36:35 AM »
It's more the lack of taking responsibility for his problems that I see.  I'm sure being accused of rape at a family dinner by a blood relative caused some stress (that'd probably cause more stress than a SD shooting), and having run-ins with the police on DV calls affected his life before he was in the news.  From his dozens of 911 calls, he was also apparently stressed by all the strangers in his neighbourhood.

But no - none of that is the cause of his problems.  It's solely the trial - nevermind that his post trial antics and domestic violence problems are the same as his pre-trial ones.

I'm well aware that responding to you makes no difference, so I'd like to point out the subtle arguing style De Selby uses.

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zimmerman  himself has had a string of encounters and 911 calls before the shooting that are consistent with all the drama since.  He has been accused of child molestation by a relative and of domestic violence before the case.  It's behaviour that is perfectly consistent with the idea that he tried to "citizens arrest" trayvon martin and then killed him when he resisted.  Not what I want in my neighbourhood.

The specifics of the accusation are unknown. The veracity is also unknown.

However, in the next post, watch the subtle change:

It's more the lack of taking responsibility for his problems that I see.  I'm sure being accused of rape at a family dinner by a blood relative caused some stress (that'd probably cause more stress than a SD shooting), and having run-ins with the police on DV calls affected his life before he was in the news.  From his dozens of 911 calls, he was also apparently stressed by all the strangers in his neighbourhood.

But no - none of that is the cause of his problems.  It's solely the trial - nevermind that his post trial antics and domestic violence problems are the same as his pre-trial ones.


Now we have a specific charge. It's veracity is still unknown, but somehow the specifics are now known.

Very well done on the subtle creep.
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Re: Zimmerman -- again
« Reply #76 on: March 25, 2015, 06:42:06 PM »
Yeah, I wasn't splitting hairs between child molestation and rape - a minor female relative accused him of it.  The point there was that his life was a train wreck of drama and stupidity well before he started selling paintings.  And now he's added obama to the list of people he blames.
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« Reply #77 on: March 25, 2015, 07:32:58 PM »
Yea. She accused him after all those years got her 10 mins and ran


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Re: Zimmerman -- again
« Reply #78 on: March 25, 2015, 07:34:13 PM »
Yea. She accused him after all those years got her 10 mins and ran


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What are you talking about?  The accusation was levelled at his family well before the shooting.
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Re: Zimmerman -- again
« Reply #79 on: March 25, 2015, 07:40:10 PM »
You are unfamiliar with witness 9's phone call?


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« Reply #80 on: March 25, 2015, 07:40:18 PM »
It is much more powerful to seek Truth for one's self.  Seeing and hearing that others seem to have found it can be a motivation.  With me, I was drawn because of much error and bad judgment on my part. Confronting one's own errors and bad judgment is a very life altering situation.  Confronting the errors and bad judgment of others is usually hypocrisy.


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« Reply #81 on: March 25, 2015, 07:43:45 PM »
http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Latest-News-Wires/2012/0716/George-Zimmerman-s-cousin-accuses-him-of-sexual-molestation-video

She waited till 2 days after the shooting to come forward. And is there any corroboration from her parents? I looked didn't see any. And at best they could corroborate what their daughter said. How about the mystery other up girl he molested? Any corroboration there ?


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« Reply #82 on: March 25, 2015, 08:28:15 PM »
http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Latest-News-Wires/2012/0716/George-Zimmerman-s-cousin-accuses-him-of-sexual-molestation-video

She waited till 2 days after the shooting to come forward. And is there any corroboration from her parents? I looked didn't see any. And at best they could corroborate what their daughter said. How about the mystery other up girl he molested? Any corroboration there ?


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You're not noticing that she accused him of it in front of family well before this.  Yet another of the litany of women having problems with this guy.
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« Reply #83 on: March 25, 2015, 08:41:26 PM »
You notice she said she did? Did mom and dad corroborate?


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Re: Zimmerman -- again
« Reply #84 on: December 09, 2015, 06:32:14 AM »
Zimmerman is back in the news with a couple of zingers:

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/george-zimmerman-retweets-picture-trayvon-martin-corpse-article-1.2376777

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Over the weekend, an admirer tweeted him a photo of Martin's body, which was used as evidence for Zimmerman's trial. The user called Zimmerman a "one man army."

Zimmerman, a former neighborhood watch guard, retweeted the graphic pic to his 11,000 followers. It stayed up for days before Twitter took it down.

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Last month, Zimmerman replied to a critic on Twitter by taunting, “We all know how it ended for the last moron that hit me. Give it a whirl cupcake.”

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On Thursday, Zimmerman took to Twitter to besmirch an ex-girlfriend whom he alleges cheated on him "with a dirty Muslim." In retaliation, Zimmerman posted nude photos and contact information for the woman. He also accused her of stealing cash and a gun from him.
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Re: Zimmerman -- again
« Reply #85 on: December 09, 2015, 08:21:28 AM »
Zimmerman is back in the news with a couple of zingers:

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/george-zimmerman-retweets-picture-trayvon-martin-corpse-article-1.2376777

https://reason.com/blog/2015/12/04/george-zimmerman-tweets-revenge-porn


And? I think everyone already has conceded Mr. Zimmerman isn't too bright.

Nothing that has occured since has changed my assessment of the man: guy, not too bright, was trying to do the right thing and was/is completely incapable of handling the aftermath of having his life destroyed by the president of the United States and his media allies.
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Re: Zimmerman -- again
« Reply #86 on: December 09, 2015, 09:15:03 AM »
De Selby's sure got a hard on for Zimmerman...

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Re: Zimmerman -- again
« Reply #87 on: December 09, 2015, 11:04:14 AM »
De Selby's sure got a hard on for Zimmerman...

Well, he was already proven SPECTACULARLY wrong on the merits of the case, the trial, and the outcome, but he's still certain he was right and that the courts got it wrong.
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Re: Zimmerman -- again
« Reply #88 on: December 09, 2015, 11:10:39 AM »
And? I think everyone already has conceded Mr. Zimmerman isn't too bright.

Nothing that has occured since has changed my assessment of the man: guy, not too bright, was trying to do the right thing and was/is completely incapable of handling the aftermath of having his life destroyed by the president of the United States and his media allies.
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Re: Zimmerman -- again
« Reply #89 on: December 09, 2015, 11:13:32 AM »
With progressives it's never about the facts but always about the narrative.

Zimmerman fits their narrative so well that they still can't get over the reality that the facts didn't.

They would love to imprison him despite the facts just to uphold the narrative.
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Re: Zimmerman -- again
« Reply #90 on: December 09, 2015, 11:23:51 AM »
Not a news flash that old George isn't too bright, and it won't surprise me terribly if he does end up in jail some day. If he does, I hope the State Attorney has the common sense to put together a prima facie case before it actually goes to trial.
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« Reply #91 on: December 09, 2015, 01:08:03 PM »
De Selby logic:

"Zimmerman is an idiot and keeps getting in trouble and has been accused of domestic violence, therefore he CLEARLY chased down and executed Trayon Martin."
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« Reply #92 on: December 09, 2015, 01:44:18 PM »
I think someone on here as already mentioned this, if I was Zimmerman, I would have my name changed legally and get out of dodge and start over.
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« Reply #93 on: December 09, 2015, 01:49:53 PM »
I think someone on here as already mentioned this, if I was Zimmerman, I would have my name changed legally and get out of dodge and start over.

Unfortunately, he hasn't been smart enough to take even that rudimentary step.
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« Reply #94 on: December 09, 2015, 02:09:13 PM »
Unfortunately, he hasn't been smart enough to take even that rudimentary step.

Sadly, I think he may be starting to thrive on the attention, which can only end badly.

I do agree that in the beginning he got the short end of the stick, considering even the POTUS was going after this one individual citizen, and that can certainly change a person, but at some point you have to suck it up and drive on (under the speed limit, in a Toyota Corolla).
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« Reply #95 on: December 09, 2015, 02:10:39 PM »
Unfortunately, he hasn't been smart enough to take even that rudimentary step.

I'm not sure it would matter.  Someone in the media would eventually uncover his new identity and broadcast it far and wide.

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« Reply #96 on: December 09, 2015, 02:39:43 PM »
I'm not sure it would matter.  Someone in the media would eventually uncover his new identity and broadcast it far and wide.

Also, what Ben said.

That was my thought.  There are just too many liberals out there who have decided they hate this guy.  Look at the guy who chased him down and took a shot at him.  Changing his name wouldn't be enough. 
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« Reply #97 on: December 09, 2015, 02:55:01 PM »
Sadly, I think he may be starting to thrive on the attention, which can only end badly.


Unfortunately I think you are correct. Some people can embrace negative attention and be stronger, stable people. George is not one of those people.
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« Reply #98 on: December 09, 2015, 03:56:49 PM »
Sadly, I think he may be starting to thrive on the attention, which can only end badly.

I do agree that in the beginning he got the short end of the stick, considering even the POTUS was going after this one individual citizen, and that can certainly change a person, but at some point you have to suck it up and drive on (under the speed limit, in a Toyota Corolla).

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