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Re: More Signs of Our Coming Demise (Women in Combat Edition)
« Reply #25 on: December 09, 2015, 04:53:37 PM »
I am leery of the Pentagon ordering units to drop standards to ensure quotas. It hasn't happened thus far, and I hope it does not.

I'm pretty sure it will come. I don't think many of us are laboring under the delusion that this move is to make the army better at f*cking sh*t up.
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Re: More Signs of Our Coming Demise (Women in Combat Edition)
« Reply #26 on: December 09, 2015, 11:52:26 PM »
These fools think that they can create reality by willing their narrative.

Why do you think Obama and the left sound so disconnected from reality? They actually believe they can create a new reality through force of will.

They are insane.

We've let them get away with it and the death cult Islamists are calling their bluff.



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Re: More Signs of Our Coming Demise (Women in Combat Edition)
« Reply #27 on: December 10, 2015, 05:36:48 AM »
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Re: More Signs of Our Coming Demise (Women in Combat Edition)
« Reply #28 on: December 10, 2015, 05:49:06 AM »
Just as an observational aside...

The Soviets fielded a lot of women in combat roles during the Great Patriotic War, close to 1 million, IIRC.

They did quite well for themselves. Nearly 100 were decorated as Heroes of the Soviet Union.

Several of the top scoring Soviet snipers were women, and two became fighter aces.

Just saying...
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Re: More Signs of Our Coming Demise (Women in Combat Edition)
« Reply #29 on: December 10, 2015, 07:50:07 AM »
Yet, as soon as the Great Patriotic War ended, and the existential threat to the Soviet Union was destroyed, they got rid of all the women in combat roles and pretty much all the women in their military.  And they didn't really "downsize" their military after the war ended.... 

You'd think if it was such a great idea, the Communists/Socialists would have kept it.  But they didn't for some reason....
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Re: More Signs of Our Coming Demise (Women in Combat Edition)
« Reply #30 on: December 10, 2015, 08:16:48 AM »
Yet, as soon as the Great Patriotic War ended, and the existential threat to the Soviet Union was destroyed, they got rid of all the women in combat roles and pretty much all the women in their military.  And they didn't really "downsize" their military after the war ended.... 

You'd think if it was such a great idea, the Communists/Socialists would have kept it.  But they didn't for some reason....

So the Soviets were phalocentric aholes, as everyone else was/apparently still is?

Having lost roughly a quarter of its population during the war (solid figures are hard to come by, but consensus is more or less about 40 million military and civilian deaths in the war of a total prewar population of about 165 million), the Soviets embarked on a campaign to rebuild the nation, continuing programs from the 1920s that encouraged women to have children. LOTS of children.

Its a lot tougher for a woman to do that when she's serving in the military.




"And they didn't really "downsize" their military after the war ended...."

Uhm... yeah. They did, and rather quickly, and rather dramatically. 

At the end of the war in 1945 the Soviet military had somewhere between 11-13 million men and women at arms.

Starting with demobilization right after the war, western analysts estimated that Soviet military strength fluctuated between roughly 3 to 5 million from roughly 1948 through the rest of the Cold War period.

Don't think for a moment that the Soviets came out of World War II and kept their military at 12 million for the next 45 years. That would be a ludicrous concept.

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Re: More Signs of Our Coming Demise (Women in Combat Edition)
« Reply #31 on: December 10, 2015, 09:33:50 AM »
Does having women in combat roles make our military more effective at killing the enemy and destroying their stuff?

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Re: More Signs of Our Coming Demise (Women in Combat Edition)
« Reply #32 on: December 10, 2015, 09:39:51 AM »
Does having women in combat roles make our military more effective at killing the enemy and destroying their stuff?



I think the proper question in times of relative peace would be does it make the militiary LESS effective.
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Re: More Signs of Our Coming Demise (Women in Combat Edition)
« Reply #33 on: December 10, 2015, 12:24:01 PM »
I think the proper question in times of relative peace would be does it make the militiary LESS effective.

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Re: More Signs of Our Coming Demise (Women in Combat Edition)
« Reply #34 on: December 10, 2015, 12:41:15 PM »
"Army! Be The Best Just Good Enough (under new and improved standards!) You Can Be"

They already used that slogan in the 1960s and 1970s.
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Re: More Signs of Our Coming Demise (Women in Combat Edition)
« Reply #35 on: December 10, 2015, 12:58:40 PM »
I think the proper question in times of relative peace would be does it make the militiary LESS effective.

Peace is just a time for everyone to reload.

So, yes.

All these women are not magically going to disappear from the ranks if we enter an actual,  you know, shooting war.

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Re: More Signs of Our Coming Demise (Women in Combat Edition)
« Reply #36 on: December 10, 2015, 01:30:26 PM »
I think the proper question in times of relative peace would be does it make the militiary LESS effective.

The answer to that from several studies is "yes"

Even if it was no, it's a stupid *expletive deleted*ing way to build and maintain combat power
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Re: More Signs of Our Coming Demise (Women in Combat Edition)
« Reply #37 on: December 10, 2015, 01:55:57 PM »
The answer to that from several studies is "yes"

Even if it was no, it's a stupid *expletive deleted*ing way to build and maintain combat power

But TEH FREAKIN' COMMIES had women fighting during WWII! You're just a phallocentric bigot!
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Re: More Signs of Our Coming Demise (Women in Combat Edition)
« Reply #38 on: December 10, 2015, 05:37:10 PM »
More to the point, when you're talking about your combat arms specialties, you shouldn't be making changes to it simply by asking "will this HURT our capabilities?"

If it isn't a force multiplier, it shouldn't be considered. And considering two things : the USMC's infantry study, and the fact that our military is over strength, its an even worse idea.

 
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Re: More Signs of Our Coming Demise (Women in Combat Edition)
« Reply #39 on: December 10, 2015, 10:02:12 PM »
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the fact that our military is over strength, its an even worse idea.

If history is any example the logical thing to do will be to RIF the males and keep the females for like ya know social justice man.
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Re: More Signs of Our Coming Demise (Women in Combat Edition)
« Reply #40 on: December 14, 2015, 10:03:15 AM »
The more I listen to .gov employees at meetings, the more I wonder about the future...

I was at a court conference, and there were recruiters doing a presentation about enlistment options available to young people who may be court involved.  Over the course of the presentation, it became more and more apparent to me that the emphasis of .mil is on air power.  Navy talked about jobs on carriers and avionics.  Air Force talked a ton about avionics and especially drone support.  Army and Marines, well they talked a lot about how they were willing to take kids with criminal backgrounds for infantry and other combat arms if they weren't actively on probation, and if serious offenses were sealed and/or expunged.  Air dominance, bombing, missile strikes are all well and good, but sooner or later you need boots on the ground.  Hell, the Amry recruited was bragging about helping a kid get his Assault on a Police Officer case sealed so he could get the kid an infantry contract. 

If I was in today, I think I'd be worried less about a qualified woman covering my six than I would some guy who spent a bunch of time locked up for violent offenses who got his record sealed so he could enlist.
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