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Progressives Have Caught on That There is no Gun Show Loophole
« on: January 09, 2016, 12:20:58 PM »
I know this because on a news program this morning, I heard one refer to it as, "the private party seller loophole".

Kinda reminds me of another topic dear to progressives where they changed the name when the first one didn't work out for them. :)
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Re: Progressives Have Caught on That There is no Gun Show Loophole
« Reply #1 on: January 09, 2016, 12:33:20 PM »
I know this because on a news program this morning, I heard one refer to it as, "the private party seller loophole".

Kinda reminds me of another topic dear to progressives where they changed the name when the first one didn't work out for them. :)
Well, at least it's more accurate, even if it isn't a loophole. It at least gets that part of the foaming of the mouth out of the way.
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Re: Progressives Have Caught on That There is no Gun Show Loophole
« Reply #2 on: January 09, 2016, 01:13:53 PM »
Well, at least it's more accurate, even if it isn't a loophole. It at least gets that part of the foaming of the mouth out of the way.

Yup, I think it's a positive direction as well. When they say "gun show" they always try and make it sound like a Middle Eastern gun bazaar, where everybody is buying machine guns and rocket launchers. It's a lot harder to put that image in uneducated people's heads when you use the term "private party", which is more like some guy selling his Toyota Corolla.
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Re: Progressives Have Caught on That There is no Gun Show Loophole
« Reply #3 on: January 09, 2016, 01:37:17 PM »
Well, at least it's more accurate, even if it isn't a loophole.

Everything they don't like is a "loophole."

The private party seller loophole, the homeschooling loophole,  the wood-burning-stove loophole ...
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Re: Progressives Have Caught on That There is no Gun Show Loophole
« Reply #4 on: January 09, 2016, 02:30:15 PM »
And we have to contend with "the brain-dead voter" loophole.
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Re: Progressives Have Caught on That There is no Gun Show Loophole
« Reply #5 on: January 09, 2016, 03:04:04 PM »
And we have to contend with "the brain-dead voter" loophole.

The brain-dead voters, and the just-plain-dead voters.
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Re: Progressives Have Caught on That There is no Gun Show Loophole
« Reply #6 on: January 09, 2016, 04:35:40 PM »
I know this because on a news program this morning, I heard one refer to it as, "the private party seller loophole".

Kinda reminds me of another topic dear to progressives where they changed the name when the first one didn't work out for them. :)

Yep, the climate has changed since they first deployed "gun show loophole."
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Re: Progressives Have Caught on That There is no Gun Show Loophole
« Reply #7 on: January 09, 2016, 05:54:01 PM »
Yep, the climate has changed since they first deployed "gun show loophole."

That's conservative's fault too.  They warned us.....

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Re: Progressives Have Caught on That There is no Gun Show Loophole
« Reply #8 on: January 09, 2016, 07:01:39 PM »
I know this because on a news program this morning, I heard one refer to it as, "the private party seller loophole".

Kinda reminds me of another topic dear to progressives where they changed the name when the first one didn't work out for them. :)
Hmmm . . . if I start guessing which topic that is, will you let me know if I'm getting warm?    ;)
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Re: Progressives Have Caught on That There is no Gun Show Loophole
« Reply #9 on: January 10, 2016, 11:31:45 AM »
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Assault -> military-style -> "military in the hands of civilians."
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Re: Progressives Have Caught on That There is no Gun Show Loophole
« Reply #10 on: January 10, 2016, 11:40:42 AM »
Everything they don't like is a "loophole."

The private party seller loophole, the homeschooling loophole,  the wood-burning-stove loophole ...


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Re: Progressives Have Caught on That There is no Gun Show Loophole
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Re: Progressives Have Caught on That There is no Gun Show Loophole
« Reply #12 on: January 11, 2016, 10:31:41 PM »
It's a lot harder to put that image in uneducated people's heads when you use the term "private party", which is more like some guy selling his Toyota Corolla.

Cars kill people, and cars sold by private individuals may not be safe. Clearly, anyone who wants to sell a used car should be required to first obtain a dealer's license from the state.

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Re: Progressives Have Caught on That There is no Gun Show Loophole
« Reply #13 on: January 11, 2016, 10:36:04 PM »
Everything they don't like is a "loophole."

Of course.

Remember the late, unlamented (by us) federal Assault Weapons Ban? The anti's outlawed semi-auto rifles with flash hiders, bayonet lugs, folding stocks, and vertical forward handgrips. Unsurprisingly, the market responded by selling AR-15s with fixed stocks, no flash hider, no vertical forward handgrip, and no bayonet lug. The anti's immediately accused the industry of taking advantage of a "loophole."

That's like saying if I drive 65 MPH on a 65 MPH highway, I'm taking advantage of the "65 MPH loophole" to avoid a speeding ticket.
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Re: Progressives Have Caught on That There is no Gun Show Loophole
« Reply #14 on: January 12, 2016, 01:24:47 AM »
And when California went crazy they came out with Monsterman Grips and Bullet Buttons.
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Re: Progressives Have Caught on That There is no Gun Show Loophole
« Reply #15 on: January 12, 2016, 01:31:22 AM »
That's like saying if I drive 65 MPH on a 65 MPH highway, I'm taking advantage of the "65 MPH loophole" to avoid a speeding ticket.

It always reminds me of how Mitt Romney was accused of "taking advantage of a loophole," simply for knowing and following the tax code to his best advantage. So the more closely you adhere to the law, the shadier you are. :facepalm:
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Re: Progressives Have Caught on That There is no Gun Show Loophole
« Reply #16 on: January 12, 2016, 09:33:14 AM »
Cars kill people, and cars sold by private individuals may not be safe. Clearly, anyone who wants to sell a used car should be required to first obtain a dealer's license from the state.

It's for the children ...
Most states do have a dealers license.  Some states require a license to resell cars for a profit or something like that.  I heard that mentioned on a car show I happened to listen to one morning.  Of course, it is done because car dealers lobby the state house, not for safety. 
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Re: Progressives Have Caught on That There is no Gun Show Loophole
« Reply #17 on: January 12, 2016, 11:37:31 AM »
Don't know what the current magic number is, but car dealer status used to be achieved when you sold more than eight cars a year here in Colorado.  At that point you had to get all licensed and permitted and okayed and blessed by the State.  In nomine Ford, et GM, et spiritu Dodge, amen.

Let alone by lesser Deities like cities and counties.

I guess the suthorities figured it took the average car-flipper or shade tree mechanic a month and a half to get a junker marketable. (12 ÷ 8 = 1.5 months.)   Obviously, the notorious car dealer loophole.

WRT firearms, I see a kind of push-pull conflict of interest.  FFL dealers naturally want to maintain the whole "dealer" concept since it's their rice bowl, but setting a low magical number might push too many people into "dealership" status, thus increasing their competition.

I personally think the magic number should be exactly 7,860 firearms per year.  That works out to 655 per month.

But I also personally think that "dealership" requirements should be eliminated altogether as a restraint of trade.  Or, "infringement," if you will.

Not that it would have  happened, but I wouldn't have minded hearing this question at that recent little piece of Presidential puffery:  "Mr. President, what does the word "infringed" mean?"

He's a "constitutional scholar," but I'm a fairly accomplished native English speaker, so I'd like to hear how he views that word.

However, I realize that nowadays being a native English speaker may disqualify me from making comments.  I mean, for all I know, maybe there's some Latin or Spanish derivation of the roots of that word meaning something else besides "abridged" or "tinkered with" or something.  Or perhaps the phrase "shall not be" is an idiomatic Sanskrit phrase for "shall be."  After all, what do I know?

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Re: Progressives Have Caught on That There is no Gun Show Loophole
« Reply #18 on: January 16, 2016, 06:45:59 PM »
And when California went crazy they came out with Monsterman Grips and Bullet Buttons.
then the hoplophobes started claiming bullet buttons turned semiautomatic firearms into fullauto child killing abominations straight out of hell itself. :facepalm:

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Re: Progressives Have Caught on That There is no Gun Show Loophole
« Reply #19 on: January 16, 2016, 06:53:09 PM »
Yup, I think it's a positive direction as well. When they say "gun show" they always try and make it sound like a Middle Eastern gun bazaar, where everybody is buying machine guns and rocket launchers. It's a lot harder to put that image in uneducated people's heads when you use the term "private party", which is more like some guy selling his Toyota Corolla.
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Re: Progressives Have Caught on That There is no Gun Show Loophole
« Reply #20 on: January 16, 2016, 09:39:44 PM »

https://youtu.be/QG1JWJFGfOU?t=40s

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Re: Progressives Have Caught on That There is no Gun Show Loophole
« Reply #21 on: January 16, 2016, 10:31:33 PM »
then the hoplophobes started claiming bullet buttons turned semiautomatic firearms into fullauto child killing abominations straight out of hell itself. :facepalm:

I remember reading that somewhere.  :facepalm:
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