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Miti Air: MYT Engine
« on: April 13, 2016, 09:13:55 AM »
http://pesn.com/2010/11/01/9501717_MYT-6_engine_getting_closer_to_market/
http://www.angellabsllc.com/resourse.html
Have any of y'all heard of this?  I got a link texted to me which showed this odd looking piston engine.  I would call it a rotary piston engine, but I don't know if that is accurate.  It looks interesting, but all the links I see are years old so I have no idea if anything came of this.  The one youtube link with the animation makes it easier to see what they are attempting. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9Z4RCbTAqQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0XTU7gCZV4

I was just curious about it.  The horsepower and torque claims are pretty high for a very small engine.  I assume they are attempting direct drive with no transmission.
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Re: Miti Air: MYT Engine
« Reply #1 on: April 13, 2016, 10:47:55 AM »
There's many of these out there. Offshoots of Wankel rotors that are a disk that wobbles through different combustion chambers, or have more than three lobes... there's quite a few designs, and none of them ever seem to gain any traction in the market. They all have enormous RPM's, horsepower, torque or whatever too.

I'm guessing that there's some severe drawbacks that aren't immediately obvious, or various industries would be all over them. Probably the ability to repair or refurb/rebuild them as compared to a traditional piston engine is a PITA for starters. Or as you noted, the output figures are direct-drive on the shaft, and once you gear them down to something more useful, most of the benefits are lost.

Pop-Sci, or Pop-Mechanics will run a story on one now and then, and... crickets.

They have some niche applications maybe. I think some torpedoes use a kind of non-cylinder high-RPM wobble or rotor type internal combustion engine, probably with nasty stuff like hydrogen peroxide, or hydrazine etc.

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Re: Miti Air: MYT Engine
« Reply #2 on: April 13, 2016, 10:54:45 AM »
One of the tests they said they ran, they had to get up to a minimum speed before it worked.  If that is a limitation, it might be paired with a motor/generator.  However, as you said, it may not provide enough real benefits to get away from a small traditional gas or diesel engine.
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Re: Miti Air: MYT Engine
« Reply #3 on: April 13, 2016, 11:02:37 AM »
One of the tests they said they ran, they had to get up to a minimum speed before it worked.  If that is a limitation, it might be paired with a motor/generator.  However, as you said, it may not provide enough real benefits to get away from a small traditional gas or diesel engine.

Looks like it's gonna suffer the same drawbacks as a gas turbine.

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Re: Miti Air: MYT Engine
« Reply #4 on: April 13, 2016, 11:03:57 AM »
Direct drive might have a racing market for it in sprint cars.
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Re: Miti Air: MYT Engine
« Reply #5 on: April 13, 2016, 02:29:22 PM »
Issue 1) How do you make a good seal for a combustion cylinder when it has an effective vertical seam perpendicular to the piston/rings?

Issue 2) How do you make rings that will seal when the pistons have to be attached through their sides and...

Issue 3) How do you seal the inner area of the circle of the cylinder wall when it has to allow the pistons to move independently of each other yet still maintain a compression seal?
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Re: Miti Air: MYT Engine
« Reply #6 on: April 13, 2016, 06:21:11 PM »
Issue 1) How do you make a good seal for a combustion cylinder when it has an effective vertical seam perpendicular to the piston/rings?

Issue 2) How do you make rings that will seal when the pistons have to be attached through their sides and...

Issue 3) How do you seal the inner area of the circle of the cylinder wall when it has to allow the pistons to move independently of each other yet still maintain a compression seal?

It looks like from the cut away model on you tube that there are two rotors that make up a good chunk of the wall of the cylinder, with the each piston sealing on the cylinder and the rotor it's not attached to with a conventional ring type seal.  That just leaves the three vertical (ish) seems around the circumference.  That's not that big a deal.  Some kind of pressurized oil and metal seal could get it done or a ceramic one.  Pretty much the same setup as an apex seal in a Wankel.

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Re: Miti Air: MYT Engine
« Reply #7 on: April 13, 2016, 08:09:34 PM »
That second video was the most informative:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0XTU7gCZV4

It reminded me a little of an oddball engine which actually made it into extensive economical commercial use on locomotives and submarines.  The delta two-cycle diesel engine:



(I jes' loves me that gif.)

The biggest problem there (finally solved) was the extra gearing to match all the crankshaft rotations to one single output shaft.


One of the nice things about two-cycle engines is that a substantial amount of energy is saved by not having to reverse the flow of the gases to get them out the exhaust.  The stuff comes in one end and is thrown out the other. With steam engines, they called them unaflow engines.  Doesn't sound like much, but when you figure the total mass of the gases involved at high speed, it counts.

Source:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Napier_Deltic


There's another opposed-cylinder swash-plate aircraft engine which looked pretty neat.  



Sort of like a tube fulla pistons.  Never really made it into commercial practice, but was pretty compact for the power output.

Found it:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axial_engine

One variation of the swash-plate principle:




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I guess the best and simplest way is to heat gases and blast them out the back, as in a ramjet.  (But that has its own problems.)

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