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Cinco de Mayo DUI Checkpoints Offensive
« on: May 05, 2016, 04:48:58 PM »
DUI checkpoints in Oakland were shut down because they were offensive to hispanics or something. Coincidentally I heard on the news this morning that Cinco is like the second worst holiday after New Years for drunk driving. Curious if New Years, St Paddy's Day, etc. checkpoints will also be shut down (yes, I already know the answer).

http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/news/2016/05/05/oakland-calif-police-cancel-cinco-de-mayo-dui-checkpoints-after-outcry/?intcmp=hpbt3
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Re: Cinco de Mayo DUI Checkpoints Offensive
« Reply #1 on: May 05, 2016, 04:52:28 PM »
I don't get why Cinco de Mayo is so popular, Sept 16 should be the real party day.
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Re: Cinco de Mayo DUI Checkpoints Offensive
« Reply #2 on: May 05, 2016, 04:55:34 PM »
I don't get why Cinco de Mayo is so popular, Sept 16 should be the real party day.


Not sure if serious. You mean July 4th?
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Re: Cinco de Mayo DUI Checkpoints Offensive
« Reply #3 on: May 05, 2016, 04:57:41 PM »

Not sure if serious. You mean July 4th?

For a Mexican-American holiday, not equal to July 4th. Sept 16 was a bigger deal in my hometown than May 5th, but we also had a lot of multigenerational Mexican-Americans who arrived in SE IA during one of the Santa Fe railroad strikes in the early 1900s.

Used to be a weekend long party of eating, drinking, music and family gatherings. Really wasn't about the Mexican independence, but more about a weekend of being with neighbors and family. Gringos were invited, I looked forward to it every year for street tacos and tamales. This was before all the taco trucks.
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Re: Cinco de Mayo DUI Checkpoints Offensive
« Reply #4 on: May 05, 2016, 05:25:03 PM »
I don't get why Cinco de Mayo is so popular, Sept 16 should be the real party day.

Talk Like a Pirate Day?  (nevermind, that's Sept 19)

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Re: Cinco de Mayo DUI Checkpoints Offensive
« Reply #5 on: May 05, 2016, 05:32:07 PM »
How is arresting drunk frat boys on the way home from Chili's offensive to Mexicans?

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Re: Cinco de Mayo DUI Checkpoints Offensive
« Reply #6 on: May 05, 2016, 05:40:25 PM »
San Jose (about 40 miles south of Oakland) is ramping up preparations for Cinco de Mayo (i.e., more cops on duty and preparing for possible riots):

http://www.ktvu.com/news/137001485-story

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Diaz said a few years back, all his store windows were vandalized on May 5. He plans to stay late this year to protect his business.

"People use Cinco de Mayo to harm others, to come vandalize and fight against each other," said Diaz. "I don't understand. Cinco de Mayo should be celebrated in Mexico not here."

Two years ago, a near riot broke out in downtown with people jumping on buses. Police closed down Santa Clara Street and made several arrests.
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Re: Cinco de Mayo DUI Checkpoints Offensive
« Reply #7 on: May 05, 2016, 05:40:38 PM »
. . .  Curious if New Years, St Paddy's Day, etc. checkpoints will also be shut down (yes, I already know the answer) . . .
Checkpoints on Juneteenth or during Kwanzaa are racist.

Checkpoints during Ramadan discriminate against Moslems. (Never mind the Islamic proscription of booze.)

Checkpoints on the birthdays of Harvey Milk, Barney Frank, or Bruce Jenner are homophobic.

Checkpoints on Chinese New Year or during the Tet celebrations are anti-Asian.

etc. etc.

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Re: Cinco de Mayo DUI Checkpoints Offensive
« Reply #8 on: May 05, 2016, 05:50:32 PM »

Checkpoints during Ramadan discriminate against Moslems. (Never mind the Islamic proscription of booze.)


I get your points, I just wanted to add that if you think there's an actual Islamic proscription on booze, you've never been in an Islamic country during Ramadan.

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Re: Cinco de Mayo DUI Checkpoints Offensive
« Reply #9 on: May 05, 2016, 06:57:51 PM »
Talk Like a Pirate Day?  (nevermind, that's Sept 19)

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I think 30 April would be a better day.  See my post in the Round Table....
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Re: Cinco de Mayo DUI Checkpoints Offensive
« Reply #10 on: May 05, 2016, 10:39:02 PM »
Too bad other states don't have state supreme court justices we have in Michigan.  When the hysterical bureaucrats tried to implement Check Points, our state supreme court justices rightly ruled them unconstitutional.
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Re: Cinco de Mayo DUI Checkpoints Offensive
« Reply #11 on: May 06, 2016, 02:01:33 AM »
Checkpoints should be offensive to any real American.
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Re: Cinco de Mayo DUI Checkpoints Offensive
« Reply #12 on: May 06, 2016, 07:28:05 AM »
Checkpoints should be offensive to any real American.

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« Reply #13 on: May 06, 2016, 08:57:37 AM »
Is Cinco like st pattys? All the pretenders and amateurs come out?

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Re: Cinco de Mayo DUI Checkpoints Offensive
« Reply #14 on: May 06, 2016, 09:28:19 AM »
Checkpoints should be offensive to any real American.

So, then, not discriminatory.

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Re: Cinco de Mayo DUI Checkpoints Offensive
« Reply #15 on: May 06, 2016, 09:58:30 AM »
For a Mexican-American holiday, not equal to July 4th. Sept 16 was a bigger deal in my hometown than May 5th, but we also had a lot of multigenerational Mexican-Americans who arrived in SE IA during one of the Santa Fe railroad strikes in the early 1900s.

Used to be a weekend long party of eating, drinking, music and family gatherings. Really wasn't about the Mexican independence, but more about a weekend of being with neighbors and family. Gringos were invited, I looked forward to it every year for street tacos and tamales. This was before all the taco trucks.
The Mexican guys I have worked with said it really wasn't much of a holiday in Mexico.
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Re: Cinco de Mayo DUI Checkpoints Offensive
« Reply #16 on: May 06, 2016, 09:59:01 AM »
Checkpoints should be offensive to any real American.

I'm not a fan of checkpoints. I'm much less a fan of the reason this one was shut down. Replace "checkpoint" with anything you want, because the crybabies are coming after everything.
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Re: Cinco de Mayo DUI Checkpoints Offensive
« Reply #17 on: May 06, 2016, 03:22:18 PM »
The Mexican guys I have worked with said it really wasn't much of a holiday in Mexico.

Right up there with the day they beat the Amish at a science fair, you know.

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Re: Cinco de Mayo DUI Checkpoints Offensive
« Reply #18 on: May 06, 2016, 03:27:35 PM »
Is Cinco like st pattys? All the pretenders and amateurs come out?


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Re: Cinco de Mayo DUI Checkpoints Offensive
« Reply #19 on: May 09, 2016, 03:49:14 PM »
Checkpoints should be offensive to any real American.

My view on it.  No need to be tied to a holiday.

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Re: Cinco de Mayo DUI Checkpoints Offensive
« Reply #20 on: May 09, 2016, 04:05:43 PM »
My view on it.  No need to be tied to a holiday.

I wouldn't mind them on the way out of a bar parking lot, with the owner's permission and clear notification to people entering.  Just like the Sam's receipt check; you knowingly choose to accept it on entry.  OTOH, absolutely no PI arrests of passengers inside a vehicle at the time it's stopped, (even if the driver is arrested for DUI) and nothing else gets checked except a very quick check of the driver's apparent sobriety.  If the initial observation fails, then route them to the back of the lot for a FST and/or breathalyzer, but no charges other than DUI even possible as a result of the checkpoint...even if the driver gets out with a stolen .44 in his waistband and pees on the cop's leg.

Honestly, if they were really concerned with getting drunks off the streets here, there's a stop sign about 4 blocks from one bar in town that would give them more legitimate PC stops than all the LE in the county could handle right around closing time.  It even has a fairly blind corner in two directions, so they wouldn't have to try to hide.  Just line up the patrol cars on the side street where the lead one can see about a car length back from the sign and start making stops.  DPS and SO occasionally do that to the four-way stop near the bar at the edge of town, but city PD is still pretending that 115 DUI arrests per year (30+ of those caught only after they wrecked) is a good record in a college town with at least four popular bars.

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Re: Cinco de Mayo DUI Checkpoints Offensive
« Reply #21 on: May 09, 2016, 04:09:13 PM »
Is Cinco like st pattys? All the pretenders and amateurs come out?

There are also some ethnic/nationalistic overtones to the "celebration."  For example, at one high school in Morgan Hill a few years ago, some students wore American flag themed shirts to school on May 5th.  The principal ordered them to turn their shirts inside out or go home, claiming that the shirts might incite the Mexican students to violence.  The matter went to court with unsatisfactory results:

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/05/06/california-students-sent-home-wearing-flags-cinco-mayo.html

http://www.mercurynews.com/crime-courts/ci_27813451/american-flag-case-u-s-supreme-court-ends
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Re: Cinco de Mayo DUI Checkpoints Offensive
« Reply #22 on: May 09, 2016, 06:36:22 PM »
I wouldn't mind them on the way out of a bar parking lot, with the owner's permission and clear notification to people entering.  Just like the Sam's receipt check; you knowingly choose to accept it on entry.  OTOH, absolutely no PI arrests of passengers inside a vehicle at the time it's stopped, (even if the driver is arrested for DUI) and nothing else gets checked except a very quick check of the driver's apparent sobriety.  If the initial observation fails, then route them to the back of the lot for a FST and/or breathalyzer, but no charges other than DUI even possible as a result of the checkpoint...even if the driver gets out with a stolen .44 in his waistband and pees on the cop's leg.

Honestly, if they were really concerned with getting drunks off the streets here, there's a stop sign about 4 blocks from one bar in town that would give them more legitimate PC stops than all the LE in the county could handle right around closing time.  It even has a fairly blind corner in two directions, so they wouldn't have to try to hide.  Just line up the patrol cars on the side street where the lead one can see about a car length back from the sign and start making stops.  DPS and SO occasionally do that to the four-way stop near the bar at the edge of town, but city PD is still pretending that 115 DUI arrests per year (30+ of those caught only after they wrecked) is a good record in a college town with at least four popular bars.
How about doing the check at the door before they even get to the parking lot.  That would be a better public service.  If they do it after, they will probably still arrest them for DUI even if they are still parked.
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Re: Cinco de Mayo DUI Checkpoints Offensive
« Reply #23 on: May 09, 2016, 06:57:55 PM »
How about doing the check at the door before they even get to the parking lot.

Then suddenly everybody's going outside to wait for their designated driver.

Once they've gotten in the driver's seat, started the car and driven to the parking lot exit, I'm fine with a DUI arrest.  Though given that somebody might have just finished their only drink of the evening 10 minutes before, I might want to see the BAC pushed up if a breathalyzer is used.  (I'd be fine with pushing it back up to .10, and making anything under .14 a "spend the night in jail while your car stays in the bar's lot and we're done" misdemeanor anyway, especially if it got rid of the resistance to some seriously increased penalties for .20 and up.)