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The American Revolution was a Mistake
« on: July 04, 2016, 09:50:27 AM »
I maybe shoulda waited until tomorrow to post this so as not to sour the holiday, but on the bright side, we can show our independence and individualism and make fun of Vox.

I now firmly believe the comment I once heard about these guys : "Vox is actually a group of pre-drivers license teenagers sitting at the mall with their tablets and with nothing better to do while they wait for their moms to pick them up."

http://www.vox.com/2015/7/2/8884885/american-revolution-mistake

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The main benefit of the revolution to colonists was that it gave more political power to America's white male minority.
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Re: The American Revolution was a Mistake
« Reply #1 on: July 04, 2016, 09:58:09 AM »

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Re: The American Revolution was a Mistake
« Reply #2 on: July 04, 2016, 10:19:34 AM »
" ... constitutional monarchy is the best system of government known to man."
???
Really?   They must have LOVED King George III!

Our founders had a slightly different perspective ....


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Re: The American Revolution was a Mistake
« Reply #3 on: July 04, 2016, 10:52:45 AM »
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Independence was bad for Native Americans
No government would have stopped what happened to the Natives.  There was too much land and a lot of land hungry Europeans looking to get away from there.  They would have either been pushed out or changed the way they lived.  It might have taken longer, but it would have happened. 
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Re: The American Revolution was a Mistake
« Reply #4 on: July 04, 2016, 10:56:25 AM »
"America would have a better system of government if we'd stuck with Britain"
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In the US, activists wanting to put a price on carbon emissions spent years trying to put together a coalition to make it happen, mobilizing sympathetic businesses and philanthropists and attempting to make bipartisan coalition — and they still failed to pass cap and trade, after millions of dollars and man hours. In the UK, the Conservative government decided it wanted a carbon tax. So there was a carbon tax. Just like that. Passing big, necessary legislation — in this case, legislation that's literally necessary to save the planet — is a whole lot easier with parliaments than with presidential systems.

This is no trivial matter. Efficient passage of legislation has huge humanitarian consequences. It makes measures of planetary importance, like carbon taxes, easier to get through; they still face political pushback, of course — Australia's tax got repealed, after all — but they can be enacted in the first place, which is far harder in the US system. And the efficiency of parliamentary systems enables larger social welfare programs that reduce inequality and improve life for poor citizens. Government spending in parliamentary countries is about 5 percent of GDP higher, after controlling for other factors, than in presidential countries. If you believe in redistribution, that's very good news indeed.
These are loony leftists who want a more powerful government who can pass laws for every lefty fad that comes around. 
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Re: The American Revolution was a Mistake
« Reply #5 on: July 04, 2016, 11:06:14 AM »
One question for you that came to mind after looking at some of their other articles.  Did any of you ever NOT know that some of the Founding Fathers owned slaves? 

I get the impression some of these liberal writers act like that is some big secret that has been white washed from history.  I can't remember a time when I didn't know that.  It was taught.  I don't remember anyone carrying on about it to the exclusion of all else like they do now.  We at least were taught why there was a compromise over the issue.  I think many of these people never learned any history whether it was taught to them or not.
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Re: The American Revolution was a Mistake
« Reply #6 on: July 04, 2016, 12:06:18 PM »
One question for you that came to mind after looking at some of their other articles.  Did any of you ever NOT know that some of the Founding Fathers owned slaves? 

I get the impression some of these liberal writers act like that is some big secret that has been white washed from history.  I can't remember a time when I didn't know that.  It was taught.  I don't remember anyone carrying on about it to the exclusion of all else like they do now.  We at least were taught why there was a compromise over the issue.  I think many of these people never learned any history whether it was taught to them or not.

Growing up right next to Monticello it has amused me to watch the interpretation evolve. The slave history of the place was always well done, but when I was a kid there was no mention that Tom probably was a very "involved" owner.
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Re: The American Revolution was a Mistake
« Reply #7 on: July 04, 2016, 02:38:30 PM »
They want web traffic, while also undermining all that is good and honorable. It's not as if they really think they're doing journalism, or serious commentary.
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Re: The American Revolution was a Mistake
« Reply #8 on: July 04, 2016, 08:19:40 PM »
Has anybody ever seen a Vox article where you could post a comment?  The site is pure propaganda and dissent is not allowed.

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Re: The American Revolution was a Mistake
« Reply #9 on: July 04, 2016, 08:45:40 PM »
Growing up right next to Monticello it has amused me to watch the interpretation evolve. The slave history of the place was always well done, but when I was a kid there was no mention that Tom probably was a very "involved" owner.
Yeah, that part of it came up later, but slavery has always been a part of the historical study of that time.  The people who push things today want their pet issue talked about to the exclusion of everything else.  People say absurd things to get attention, but later on the absurdity seems to be accepted as fact.
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Re: The American Revolution was a Mistake
« Reply #10 on: July 04, 2016, 09:06:24 PM »
???
Really?   They must have LOVED King George III!

Our founders had a slightly different perspective ....


(vox must be a menagerie of dingbats)

Because who doesn't want a king that drools and sits in his own waste... or maybe they just wanted to be ruled by his fat and spoiled dandy of a son.

(Actually, George III wasn't all that bad, as far as English kings go)
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Re: The American Revolution was a Mistake
« Reply #11 on: July 05, 2016, 10:15:36 AM »
Dear Vox and other ignorant f*cks:

In the immortal words of your Shaman of Sensitivity, Barack H. Obama:

"We won."

Those of us who are the heirs of our fathers' vision welcome your attempts to reverse it.

Sincerely,

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Re: The American Revolution was a Mistake
« Reply #12 on: July 05, 2016, 12:53:31 PM »
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America would have a parliamentary system of government that makes policymaking easier and lessens the risk of democratic collapse.

Amplifying, later in the article:

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In the UK, the Conservative government decided it wanted a carbon tax. So there was a carbon tax. Just like that. Passing big, necessary legislation — in this case, legislation that's literally necessary to save the planet — is a whole lot easier with parliaments than with presidential systems.

Personally, I prefer a gridlocked government.

And what MechAge94 said:

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These are loony leftists who want a more powerful government who can pass laws for every lefty fad that comes around.


That is all.

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Re: The American Revolution was a Mistake
« Reply #13 on: July 05, 2016, 01:11:54 PM »
We've never had a revolution anyway.  Just a couple wars of secession, the first of which was successful.