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Presidential choice problems
« on: July 20, 2016, 11:47:04 PM »
I'm having trouble with my wife over this. Thinks donald is a pig, if he gets elected women's rights will go backwards, her salary will go down, taxes will go up (but not with democrats), if hillary does not get elected it shows you have to have a dick to be president.

I usually don't even bring up politics with her, but she has been lately. And even why I try to deflect its my fault.

How should I handle this?
I remember seeing a site once that asked you all these questions and tells you which candidate is most fit for you. Maybe something like this. We can both do it side by side and see the outcome.
Although I have done it before and even if I changed 1 or 2 things that I think she might choose differently would not choose hillary for her.
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Re: Presidential choice problems
« Reply #1 on: July 20, 2016, 11:56:40 PM »
I'm having trouble with my wife over this. Thinks donald is a pig, if he gets elected women's rights will go backwards, her salary will go down, taxes will go up (but not with democrats), if hillary does not get elected it shows you have to have a dick to be president.

I usually don't even bring up politics with her, but she has been lately. And even why I try to deflect its my fault.

How should I handle this?
I remember seeing a site once that asked you all these questions and tells you which candidate is most fit for you. Maybe something like this. We can both do it side by side and see the outcome.
Although I have done it before and even if I changed 1 or 2 things that I think she might choose differently would not choose hillary for her.


I probably shouldn't butt in here, because I've never been married, but this burns. I watched this sort of crap destroy relationships.

Call her on it, not because politics, but just because it's rotten, nasty, abusive behavior.
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« Reply #2 on: July 21, 2016, 04:07:05 AM »
Can you take a road trip till November?

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Re: Presidential choice problems
« Reply #3 on: July 21, 2016, 12:22:15 PM »
Suck it up, buttercup.  You're doomed.
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Re: Presidential choice problems
« Reply #4 on: July 21, 2016, 12:28:05 PM »
This doesn't sound like a political problem. I'd look at what is causing the issue in your relationship. which I guarantee is not politics. Good luck man, a good marriage counselor can be a life saver.
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Re: Presidential choice problems
« Reply #5 on: July 21, 2016, 01:11:09 PM »
I'm having trouble with my wife over this. Thinks donald is a pig, if he gets elected women's rights will go backwards, her salary will go down, taxes will go up (but not with democrats), if hillary does not get elected it shows you have to have a dick to be president.

I usually don't even bring up politics with her, but she has been lately. And even why I try to deflect its my fault.

How should I handle this?
I remember seeing a site once that asked you all these questions and tells you which candidate is most fit for you. Maybe something like this. We can both do it side by side and see the outcome.
Although I have done it before and even if I changed 1 or 2 things that I think she might choose differently would not choose hillary for her.


It's difficult because if she REALLY thinks her "salary would go down as a woman if Trump is elected..." etc. that's emotive reasoning. She's basing her decisions on generalized feelings, and mainstream media overviews. I mean, does she really think her employer would go to her and say: "Ha ha! Trump won. We're cutting your paycheck by 10%, take it or leave it you dumb broad!"?

It makes me wonder if she's got issues with her employer or managment that makes her feel that way, people or a work environment that makes her think this could actually happen? Is there perhaps a chauvinist "good ol' boys" club there running the show and she chafes against it? Could Trump just be a stand in or symbol to her that represents someone or something closer to home that irks her?

Frankly, I can sympathize, because in an election year when the choices admittedly aren't all that great, two main candidates that both have serious flaws, or potentially wasted "votes of conscience" etc. on third parties in years like this, when there's no "Great Communicator" like a Reagan or a JFK inspiring people, (hell, even Obama, as vacuous he is behind the oratory) people tend to vote against things or candidates, rather than for things or candidates. Admittedly your post is not a lot to go on, but I have a hunch her vote for Hillary is not so much "for Hillary" but against some injustice she herself feels she's suffering, or against someone or a group with which she has a personal animus towards.

Hell... think it could actually be you ,never_retreat?

What exact policy does or would Trump advocate that would "lower her salary" or what law would he be signing that would do it? If she feels having a woman "break the glass ceiling" as POTUS is so important, does she really want it to be a woman as terrible as Hillary?  Does she want the same stain that Obama has put on "First Black POTUS"? You can try to pin her down or make her examine her thinking with logical arguments like this, but you're just as likely to anger her more, and make her dig in her heels.

To "win" this kind of argument, you're going to have to carefully dig, and find out what the real motivations are. She herself might not be consciously aware of them either.

But done right, asking probing questions that display empathy for her views and feelings will probably go a long way whether she changes her mind or not. "Are there jerks at work who remind you of Trump?" etc. Although be careful. If done too overtly, the line between empathy and patronizing is a fine one.

https://www.isidewith.com/ is the website you're thinking of.
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Re: Presidential choice problems
« Reply #6 on: July 21, 2016, 01:11:43 PM »
Divorce her now and get it over with. :laugh: :rofl:
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Re: Presidential choice problems
« Reply #7 on: July 21, 2016, 02:50:50 PM »

How big is your doghouse, and is the dog willing to share?
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Re: Presidential choice problems
« Reply #8 on: July 21, 2016, 03:11:05 PM »
Or this.
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Re: Presidential choice problems
« Reply #9 on: July 21, 2016, 09:26:14 PM »
I'm having trouble with my wife over this. Thinks donald is a pig, if he gets elected women's rights will go backwards, her salary will go down, taxes will go up (but not with democrats), if hillary does not get elected it shows you have to have a dick to be president.

I usually don't even bring up politics with her, but she has been lately. And even why I try to deflect its my fault.

How should I handle this?
I remember seeing a site once that asked you all these questions and tells you which candidate is most fit for you. Maybe something like this. We can both do it side by side and see the outcome.
Although I have done it before and even if I changed 1 or 2 things that I think she might choose differently would not choose hillary for her.


If she's gonna be vulgar about it, if Hillary's only qualification for office is she has a vagina, did she (Mrs Never) support Carly Fiorina when she was running?  How about Michele Bachmann in 2012?  Or do only Democrat vaginas count?

Ask her if she really wants the first woman president of the USA to be a despicable scofflaw with no redeeming values at all.
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Re: Presidential choice problems
« Reply #10 on: July 21, 2016, 10:32:30 PM »

Ask her if she really wants the first woman president of the USA to be a despicable scofflaw with no redeeming values at all.

Hey, it worked for the African-Americans.

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Re: Presidential choice problems
« Reply #11 on: July 21, 2016, 11:02:23 PM »
And the irony is I have not been anywhere near pro trup. I just keep thinking to my self is this the best we can do?
But I said that about both sides.
Hell there could have been a black women option that ran against obummer the first time around that I would have voted for.

I think I'm just going to tell her I not voting for either, I'm voting for Johnson.
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Re: Presidential choice problems
« Reply #12 on: July 21, 2016, 11:05:06 PM »
And the irony is I have not been anywhere near pro trup. I just keep thinking to my self is this the best we can do?
But I said that about both sides.
Hell there could have been a black women option that ran against obummer the first time around that I would have voted for.

I think I'm just going to tell her I not voting for either, I'm voting for Johnson.


Tell her how you feel. If she gives you *expletive deleted*it for not voting for Hillary, then one of two things is true:

- there's something else at play
- you're a nitwit who married a commie liberal :-D hahahaha

EDITED TO ADD: I'm just poking fun, of course.
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Re: Presidential choice problems
« Reply #13 on: July 21, 2016, 11:10:03 PM »
Even if all her conspiracy ideas are true, Hilary would still be worse. 
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« Reply #14 on: July 22, 2016, 06:18:37 AM »
What is this "win an argument " with a wife someone spoke of?what does it look like?

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Re: Presidential choice problems
« Reply #15 on: July 22, 2016, 06:37:49 AM »
It looks like bachelor-hood.



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« Reply #16 on: July 22, 2016, 07:48:35 AM »
What is this "win an argument " with a wife someone spoke of?what does it look like?

[Announcer voice] There's a big,soft, slow pitch over the center of the plate, and...

It looks like bachelor-hood.

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« Reply #17 on: July 22, 2016, 08:09:02 AM »
[Announcer voice] There's a big,soft, slow pitch over the center of the plate, and...

RKL crushes it over the Green Monstah, over the wall, over the Charles River, and right into Harvard for a Grand Slam!! [/announcer]

Speaking as a long time Boston resident...you might want to check that trajectory

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Re: Presidential choice problems
« Reply #18 on: July 22, 2016, 01:06:44 PM »
Thought that might be wrong.  Uh, crosswinds?  Literary license?

Only been down there twice and I didn't bother to look up the layout before posting.
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Re: Presidential choice problems
« Reply #19 on: July 22, 2016, 01:42:33 PM »
Thought that might be wrong.  Uh, crosswinds?  Literary license?

Only been down there twice and I didn't bother to look up the layout before posting.

Lol, you'd hit MIT directly across the river, and the trajectory doesn't intercept the Harvard campus.  It's actually a common geographic weirdness, the Charles river curves pretty dramatically, and mass ave takes a serious dog-leg, so Harvard is actually pretty west of MIT and the river basin, even though it "seems" directly north.

One hell of a crosswind!