Missouri goes to permitless carry

[Perd Hapley]

http://www.ksdk.com/news/politics/missouri-lawmakers-loosen-gun-laws-with-veto-override-of-sb-656/318985817

Woo-hoo! Blood in the streeeeetz!

[roo_ster]

I recall when lefties of color were saying CC permits were "hunting licences" to shoot black criminals.  I wonder how they will describe permitless carry?

I would still get a permit from some other state, such that I would have a token recognized by multiple states when I travel.

[MechAg94]

I recall when lefties of color were saying CC permits were "hunting licences" to shoot black criminals.  I wonder how they will describe permitless carry?

I would still get a permit from some other state, such that I would have a token recognized by multiple states when I travel.

NO BAG LIMIT!!!!

 


No matter what I said, certain people would still think I was a bloodthirsty racist so screw'em.

Way to show'em Missouri!

[wmenorr67]

Kansas has permitless carry but you can still get one to be able to carry in other states that don't have it.

[Hawkmoon]

I would still get a permit from some other state, such that I would have a token recognized by multiple states when I travel.

Will Missouri continue to issue licenses/permits to those who want one? Unfortunately, more and more states are offering recognition or reciprocity only to resident holders of permits from other states. Just as an example, when I first obtained my Florida permit, it was recognized by Pennsylvania. A few years ago, the PA AG revised the rules such that PA now only recognizes out of state licenses or permits if the holder is a resident of the issuing state. I'm not a FL resident, so my FL permit is now useless in PA.

The FL permit was good for, IIRC, 32 states when I got it. I think that number is now down to around 25, possibly lower.

[Perd Hapley]

They added some language to our statute against concealed carry, so that it will only apply if certain conditions are met.

(1) Carries concealed upon or about his or her person a knife, a firearm, a blackjack or any other weapon readily capable of lethal use into any area where firearms are restricted under section 571.107; or...

I believe there are a number of other changes to the law, but that's a good start.

[Perd Hapley]

Will Missouri continue to issue licenses/permits to those who want one?

So far as I know, yes. The language that I've seen still includes provisions for a carry permit.

Is there any state that's scrapped its permits, after allowing permitless carry?


NRA article on it.

https://www.nraila.org/articles/20160914/missourians-celebrate-a-win-for-self-defense-rights-on-wednesday

I don't get the part about the non-reciprocity permits.

[230RN]

Is there any state that's scrapped its permits, after allowing permitless carry?

I can't answer that one definitively, but another question arises:

How do LEOs handle it in permitless States when they encounter someone with a concealed personal defense firearm but no permit?

With respect to the "not otherwise prohibited" provision, do they just rely on the "no warrants, no arrests" statement of the dispatcher?  I can't imagine them somehow doing a full background check over the air.

Or do they just let it go and assume the party is "not otherwise prohibited" if the encounter is not due to an arrestable offense?

Terry

ETA: Congratulations, Missourians!

[HeroHog]

I can't answer that one definitively, but another question arises:

How do LEOs handle it in permitless States when they encounter someone with a concealed personal defense firearm but no permit?

With respect to the "not otherwise prohibited" provision, do they just rely on the "no warrants, no arrests" statement of the dispatcher?  I can't imagine them somehow doing a full background check over the air.

Or do they just let it go and assume the party is "not otherwise prohibited" if the encounter is not due to an arrestable offense?

Terry

I would hope/assume, no RAS, no foul, have a nice day.

[230RN]

"RAS?"  Didn't feel like looking that one up.  I'm sure it would be obvious (   ) if I had more coffee in me.

[Hawkmoon]

"RAS?"  Didn't feel like looking that one up.  I'm sure it would be obvious (   ) if I had more coffee in me.

It's an inaccurate acronym. It stands for "Reasonable Articulable Suspicion." Unfortunately, there ain't no such critter. The law on which it's based doesn't refer to "reasonable articulable suspicion." It goes back to the case of Terry v. Ohio, which was decided by the Supreme Court. To paraphrase the court, in order to effect a custodial detention a police officer must have "a reasonable suspicion based on clearly articulable facts that a crime has been committed, is being committed, or is about to be committed."

So, according to the Supremes, it is not the suspicion that must be reasonably articulable, it is the facts underlying the suspicion. But, the Internet persists in using "RAS" as if it means something.

[230RN]

Oh, thanks!  Actually, I just woke up from a nap (with a weird dream) and before i even turned the machine on, I thought "Oh, SAR ! Squad Automatic Rifle !" as I was pouring my coffee.

Booted my machine and there was  your response.

DFA.

Terry (not related to the traffic stop)

[RoadKingLarry]

I would hope/assume, no RAS, no foul, have a nice day.

I'm guessing it will depend a hell of a lot on where you are.
KC or St. Louse area you'd probably have a higher chance of getting "jack booted" simply for having the audacity of doing something allowed by law.

[Scout26]

Does it also include pre-emption?  IIRC several MO municipalities have their own rules about where one can carry in that particular burg, making MO a patchwork of laws/ordinances.

[Perd Hapley]

Does it also include pre-emption?  IIRC several MO municipalities have their own rules about where one can carry in that particular burg, making MO a patchwork of laws/ordinances.

No pre-emption, no campus carry, no bus/rail carry, and no something-else-I-forgot. Just to clarify, Missouri towns are only allowed to regulate the carrying of arms. Carry permits exempt one from such. You'll notice I didn't put "Constitutional Carry" in the thread title.