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Philadelphia soda tax
« on: February 27, 2017, 01:55:49 PM »
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/02/27/distributors-say-layoffs-coming-because-philly-soda-tax.html

Just to put it in real terms, that's $1.01 on a 2L bottle.  You know, like the $0.86 2L of Dr Thunder Cherry.  And the "greedy" producers are supposed to just take that hit rather than pass it on to the consumer.

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Re: Philadelphia soda tax
« Reply #1 on: February 27, 2017, 02:33:29 PM »
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Mayor Jim Kenney said the companies are being greedy for passing the cost of the tax onto consumers instead of reducing their bottom lines.

Mayor Jim Kenney doesn't seem to understand what the meaning of "tax" is.

I'm not in PA. The regional stupid market chain around here (a competitor -- ShopRite is here, too) sells 3-liter bottles of store brand soda for $0.89. Where in there would there possibly be any room for them to "absorb" a tax of $1.44 per bottle?

He's just asking Philadelphia residents to hop the bus outside of city limits to do their shopping.
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Re: Philadelphia soda tax
« Reply #2 on: February 27, 2017, 04:36:24 PM »
Mayor Jim Kenney doesn't seem to understand what the meaning of "tax" is.

I'm not in PA. The regional stupid market chain around here (a competitor -- ShopRite is here, too) sells 3-liter bottles of store brand soda for $0.89. Where in there would there possibly be any room for them to "absorb" a tax of $1.44 per bottle?

He's just asking Philadelphia residents to hop the bus outside of city limits to do their shopping.

Black market soda. 
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Re: Philadelphia soda tax
« Reply #3 on: February 27, 2017, 04:40:23 PM »
Black market soda. 

Our country's founding fathers included a number of smugglers and tax evaders. It looks like we'll be getting more emulators as our government gets more intrusive.
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Re: Philadelphia soda tax
« Reply #4 on: February 27, 2017, 05:22:35 PM »
How about a Philadelphia Soda Party!
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Re: Philadelphia soda tax
« Reply #5 on: February 27, 2017, 06:03:53 PM »
Is it really the worst thing if fewer sodas get drunk? You pay for the consequences with your taxes.
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Re: Philadelphia soda tax
« Reply #6 on: February 27, 2017, 06:06:05 PM »
Is it really the worst thing if fewer sodas get drunk? You pay for the consequences with your taxes.

I think it has less to do with drinking fewer sodas and more about the method they are trying to use.

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Re: Philadelphia soda tax
« Reply #7 on: February 27, 2017, 06:06:18 PM »
Is it really the worst thing if fewer sodas get drunk? You pay for the consequences with your taxes.

The problem with that argument is that they also apply it to guns and bullets.

Edit: Curses! dm1333 typed at the same time as me.
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Re: Philadelphia soda tax
« Reply #8 on: February 27, 2017, 06:29:16 PM »
Mayor Jim Kenney doesn't seem to understand what the meaning of "tax" is.

I'm not in PA. The regional stupid market chain around here (a competitor -- ShopRite is here, too) sells 3-liter bottles of store brand soda for $0.89. Where in there would there possibly be any room for them to "absorb" a tax of $1.44 per bottle?

He's just asking Philadelphia residents to hop the bus outside of city limits to do their shopping.
My cousins live in the suburban Chicago area - Cook County has "only" a 1 cent per ounce tax on soda instead of Philly's 1.5 cent per ounce tax. Anyone that lives NEAR the county line (and a lot of those who don't) routinely go outside Cook County to do their shopping; not just for soda, but for everything else as well. ( I *think* it's Cook County that has the tax, but it's possibly a city of Chicago tax. But considering Chicago covers most of Cook County, it's a distinction with very little difference.)
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Re: Philadelphia soda tax
« Reply #9 on: February 27, 2017, 06:34:02 PM »
Black market soda.  

Couple articles with more information:
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-02-22/philadelphia-soda-tax-leads-30-50-plunge-sales-mass-layoffs
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-02-22/philadelphia-soda-tax-leads-30-50-plunge-sales-mass-layoffs

Reading between the lines, it's already happening.  A number of distributors allow "walk in business" where they'll sell you soda with no questions asked but "how much do you want?".

Quote from: Day's Beverages
“We’re one block out of Philadelphia, in Delaware County, and you can’t imagine how many stores are coming to our warehouse and picking up our soda. I don’t care what they do -- they're coming here as a cash-and-carry. Our doors are open to everyone,” he said. “We don’t police where it’s going.”

Their walk in business has exploded, and that includes syrup. It might not be worth it to drive out of the city to save $10, but how about nearly $60 per box of syrup, or a discount ranging from 33-50%?

And sales at places that sell soda are down period, and sales outside the city are up, and again, reading between the lines, not just for soda.

IE driving outside the city to save $$$ on soda?  Might as well pick up the rest of your groceries while there.

I love this:
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Rather than allowing for the possibility that the increase in price might be related to the 1.5-cents-per-ounce tax, Kenney instead said beverage companies are “gouging” customers in an effort to frustrate consumers about the tax.

Really?  Take Any Pincus(in the first article).
5 gallon box of syrup, makes 'about' 2,840 ounces of soda. Sale price: $60-90.  Profit: $3-18 gross, per box.  Tax: $57.60

Even with 2 liters, the tax is effectively 100%.

Does Jim Kenney expect soda makers to give away their product in order to pay the tax?

He may find himself displaced next term by a Mayor who runs on a single promise:  "Elect me and I'll get rid of the soda tax".   Really, he deserves to be gone for either being that fiscally stupid or that smarmy of an ahole to argue that beverage companies can or should absorb a 100% tax.  Did he price it for the smallest sodas with the highest margins?

Quote from: City Spokesman
“Initially people are upset and drive over the city line, but then they do the math and realize the cost of gas or the pure inconvenience doesn’t make it worth it,” Dunn said.

Well, here's the deal:  If it was just $5-10, you'd probably be right.  But if they can save $50 by buying in bulk on the occasional trip out, PLUS the 2% philly proper tax on even more groceries, then the number who are going to drive is going to go up.




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Re: Philadelphia soda tax
« Reply #10 on: February 27, 2017, 07:35:18 PM »
Is it really the worst thing if fewer sodas get drunk? You pay for the consequences with your taxes.

I guess it's OK  to tax stuff we eat and drink so the .gov can use that to guilt us into compliance while raising $$$$ from those who suck up unhealthy foods and drinks.

Wait.   "You pay for the consequences with your taxes."    SO CUT THE TAXES!!! =D
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Re: Philadelphia soda tax
« Reply #11 on: February 27, 2017, 08:26:29 PM »
Is it really the worst thing if fewer sodas get drunk? You pay for the consequences with your taxes.

You are 100% correct.  Which is another reason I am opposed to welfare, Obamacare, et. al.
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Re: Philadelphia soda tax
« Reply #12 on: February 27, 2017, 10:37:08 PM »
You are 100% correct.  Which is another reason I am opposed to welfare, Obamacare, et. al.


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Re: Philadelphia soda tax
« Reply #13 on: February 28, 2017, 02:03:40 AM »
I think this is what De Selby meant:

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