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Art, propaganda ... or treason?
« on: April 17, 2017, 08:36:12 PM »
Apparently there's some new art in a San Diego park, and not everyone approves.

http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/california/la-me-border-mural-20170417-story.html

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Barajas’ latest piece was commissioned almost a decade ago by Border Angels, a migrant rights group known for putting water in the desert to keep border crossers from dying of thirst. This year, the nonprofit group finally had enough funding to make the mural a reality, at a cost of about $10,000.

Barajas was born in Mexico and sponsored by his father, who was living and working legally in the U.S., to move to San Diego when he was 17, he said. He talked about struggles with racial profiling, low wages and lack of resources that his community experienced as he came of age in Barrio Logan before joining the U.S. Air Force.

“When you’re a minority, you’re faced with realities like this all the time,” Barajas said.

So the artist, who is legal, showed his solidarity with and support for the illegal alien "community" by NOT paiting the mural until somebody came up with $10,000 to pay him for it.

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Jesus Amaro, who lives in Mission Gorge, stood admiring the new mural at Chicano Park on Thursday while his daughter played on the playground. He brings her to Chicano Park often, he said, because he likes the community.

“It’s great work, especially for the community around here,” Amaro said when asked about the mural. “It’s a whole united message, everybody coming together and standing for everybody’s rights.”

What about the rights of the Americans and legal immigrants to live in a country that's not being overrun by criminals?

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Isidro Ortiz, a professor of Chicana and Chicano Studies at San Diego State University, said the act of claiming land for a park was in line with one of the principles of the Chicano movement — self-determination.

“The community has the right to determine its own destiny,” Ortiz said.

Not when the "community" is comprised of criminals. That's like saying a gang of bank robbers has a right to choose a destiny that doesn't include being arrested for robbing banks.

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The Chicano movement, Ortiz said, was a way for people of Mexican origin living in the U.S. and coming of age in the 1960s to get a sense of identity.

“We were neither accepted as Americans nor accepted as Mexicans,” Ortiz said. “We were living in a twilight zone. It can be very confusing because you really don’t know who you are.”

That's because you refuse to become Americans. Every preceding ethnic or national group has managed to assimilate. Look at all the Americans (not something-hyphen-Americans) whose ancestors came from other countries. Irish, German, Swiss, Russian, Portuguese, Japanese, Chinese ... The list goes on. We all hark back to ancestors from somewhere else, but we are all Americans. The only ones who DON'T want to be Americans are the Latinos -- and that's largely driven (or so it appears) by the illegal contingent among them.
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Re: Art, propaganda ... or treason?
« Reply #1 on: April 17, 2017, 11:19:08 PM »
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“The community has the right to determine its own destiny,” Ortiz said.
We already did that around 1776.  A lot of better people than you tried to cut out their own community in 1860.  It didn't end well. 
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Re: Art, propaganda ... or treason?
« Reply #2 on: April 18, 2017, 12:12:23 AM »
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The Chicano movement, Ortiz said, was a way for people of Mexican origin living in the U.S. and coming of age in the 1960s to get a sense of identity.

“We were neither accepted as Americans nor accepted as Mexicans,” Ortiz said. “We were living in a twilight zone. It can be very confusing because you really don’t know who you are.”

All this is bovine excrement. These people have problems not because they don't have a sense of identity, but because they DO have a sense of identity -- and they do not "identify" as Americans. And they are not accepted as Americans because they don't learn to speak English, they don't act like Americans, and they don't make any particular effort to associate with Americans.

My late wife was from Chile. She absolutely refused to be classified as "Hispanic." She said she was from Chile, so she was a Latina and a Chilena, but she had never even been to Spain, so how could she be "Hispanic"? Through her we met an older couple (yes, even older than I am!) who came to the U.S. from Chile almost 40 years ago. They didn't locate in a Spanish-speaking ghetto and become residents of some "twilight zone" because they didn't know who they were. They knew. They became American citizens. They spoke English, they got real jobs, they bought a modest house in a respectable suburb, and they raised their three kids to be Americans. I've met all three of their children -- all of whom are now obviously adults, and all of whom have their own children who are adults or nearly so. None of the kids or grandkids has any trace of a Spanish accent. I don't think the grandkids even speak Spanish -- the only Spanish word I've heard from any of them is the word "Abuela" when speaking to the wife -- that's Spanish for "Grandmother."

That's the difference between a true immigrant and the illegals and their supporters. It would be unthinkable for our friends to fly anything but the American flag. They consider La Raza to be a joke. Coming from Chile, naturally they were Roman Catholics. I don't remember exactly why, but now they are Methodists, and have been since long before I met them. Maybe the same reason my wife became an Episcopalian. We attended the Catholic church in our town -- my wife didn't like the building, she didn't like the priest, and she found the parishioners to be very unfriendly. We ended up attending a Spanish-language mass at a church in a nearby town. We thought it was Catholic, and then discovered it was Episcopalian. My wife liked the Latino priest, so we continued. For a time we alternated with a Catholic church nearby, but when the priest of the Catholic parish was arrested for embezzling over $1 million to fund his gay affair with a younger dude in another state, my wife declared she wasn't a Catholic any more.

The problem too many Hispanic immigrants have (both legals and illegals) is the same that many middle easterners have. They want to come to the United States and receive all the bennies, but they expect America to allow them to continue to live by their home countries' rules and cultural norms. That's not how it works.
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Re: Art, propaganda ... or treason?
« Reply #3 on: April 18, 2017, 01:54:37 AM »
Thanks for sharing that Hawkmoon.

My ancestors immigrated in the 1500's BC and AD 1660's, respectively.  =D

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Re: Art, propaganda ... or treason?
« Reply #4 on: April 18, 2017, 09:04:02 AM »
My one great grandfather cut off both of his index fingers to avoid being drafted into the Kraiser's army and to be allowed to immigrate to America. He apparently struggled with English, but learned it. He made sure his kids spoke English essentially exclusively. He sacrificed to become an American, and wanted to be an American. Not just enjoy the beneficial parts and ignore obligations or responsibilities. My other great grandparents weren't quite as apparently memorable, but similar stories.

While the family has an interest in where we came from, it's mostly an excuse to enjoy the alcoholic beverages from said countries. That's about it. Hilariously, I'm persona non grata (probably not anymore) from one of the countries my ancestors came from and that I've never stepped foot in.  


To be a stick in the mud, it's definitely not treason. Treason is defined, and this doesn't meet the criteria. So, just propaganda as well as art.
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Re: Art, propaganda ... or treason?
« Reply #5 on: April 18, 2017, 10:54:38 AM »

To be a stick in the mud, it's definitely not treason. Treason is defined, and this doesn't meet the criteria. So, just propaganda as well as art.

I'm very much a stickler for accuracy in language.

Quote from: Merriam-Webster
Definition of treason

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    :  the betrayal of a trust :  treachery

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    :  the offense of attempting by overt acts to overthrow the government of the state to which the offender owes allegiance or to kill or personally injure the sovereign or the sovereign's family

I don't think it's a stretch to suggest that the actions and the agenda of La Raza constitute treason.
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Re: Art, propaganda ... or treason?
« Reply #6 on: April 18, 2017, 02:52:19 PM »
Courts have taken that to mean violently overthrow the government. Hence why it's worded that way on everyone's security clearance. Having an opinion that things need to change is not the same thing as direct violent insurrection. Also, for stickler for language, Merriam Webster is not binding definition in this case. US Constitution is. Directly.


US Constitution, Article III, Section 3 (entire)
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Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort. No person shall be convicted of treason unless on the testimony of two witnesses to the same overt act, or on confession in open court.

The Congress shall have power to declare the punishment of treason, but no attainder of treason shall work corruption of blood, or forfeiture except during the life of the person attainted.

No this is not "adhering to their enemies". As we are not in an officially declared war against the nation of Mexico. Humanitarian aid in a general sense is not "aid and comfort" either. Otherwise we'd throw Doctors without Borders or the Red Cross into prison.

Rule of thumb, unless someone is shooting at US troops or directly handing bullets to someone shooting at US troops, it's virtually never legal treason. Much like RICO or lupus. It's never RICO or lupus.
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Re: Art, propaganda ... or treason?
« Reply #7 on: April 18, 2017, 03:30:25 PM »
My maternal grandparents came to America from Vilnius, Lithuania around 1910.  My granddad died in 1945 when I was two.  My grandmother could speak, read and write several European languages.  Her English was never good.  But my uncle, aunt and mother could not speak any language than English because my Gramma and Grampa said "We are Americans, you will speak English, you will be Americans."  My paternal great grandparents came from Germany.  Same deal.  In fact my paternal great granddad, who was from a place called Gahans, Germany volunteered for the Pennsylvania cavalry in the War Between the States.  I have his discharge document in my safe.

Hawkmoon's comments mirror my thoughts to a T.

If we had a media that was not controlled by globalists and Marxists, and they were determined to undermine these Leftist Useful Idiots and illegal aliens in the interest of E pluribus unum, many of our problems would be ameliorated.

Back on topic:  Not treason, but definitely another notch in the destruction of our Republic from within.
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