Clarification: assault RIFLE vs assault WEAPON

[Perd Hapley]

For any o' y'all that are confused.

Many people confuse the accurate technical term “assault rifle” with “assault weapon,” which is a political term coined in the 1980s by gun control supporters...

“Assault rifle” is the technical term for any selective-fire, intermediate-caliber rifle or carbine fed from a detachable box magazine with a range of at least 300 meters (330 yards). This is the definition used by the U.S. Army, the National Firearms Museum, the National Rifle Association, and other experts.

More explanation at the link.
https://bearingarms.com/bob-o/2017/04/20/yes-assault-rifles-are-a-thing-no-you-cant-have-one/

I wish some of our friends in the right-leaning commentariat would read that article. I've heard/read plenty of them say sill things like "Assault rifle is a made-up term!"

[Ben]

What about assault rifle bullets? I just heard they want to ban them because of their velocity (I'm not making this up).

[Perd Hapley]

What about assault rifle bullets? I just heard they want to ban them because of their velocity (I'm not making this up).

I saw that.    Every day, I more firmly agree with the idea that journalists should just never tackle any firearm-related issue more complicated than "x had a gun," or "x shot y with a gun." Perhaps that conflicts with my first post. But I don't think so.

[T.O.M.]

I like the new "assault pistol" term I've seen used in relation to the UPS shooting last week.  Makes me picture an H&K Mark 23, or maybe a Glock 34 with an extended may, underbarrel light/laser unit and an optic.  I'd take either if someone was giving them away.  Especially the Glock would be fun.

[Perd Hapley]

I like the new "assault pistol" term I've seen used in relation to the UPS shooting last week. 

What was that? A Paterson Colt?

[230RN]

"But, but, AR stands for Assault Rifle !"

Heard that one a couple of times.  Gr.

[T.O.M.]

What was that? A Paterson Colt?

Here's the article...

https://www.usnews.com/news/us/articles/2017-06-14/the-latest-hospital-multiple-california-shooting-victims

Apparently, it is an AP article.  None say what it actually was.

[Angel Eyes]

I like the new "assault pistol" term I've seen used in relation to the UPS shooting last week.

To clarify: California classifies certain handguns as "assault weapons": mostly Uzis, Tec-9s, and the like.  It's not clear if the handgun in question is an "assault weapon" under state law, or if the writer was just being careless.

[Perd Hapley]

"But, but, AR stands for Assault Rifle !"

Heard that one a couple of times.  Gr.

Or "Armalite Rifle."

Or "AR-15s are semi-automatic, not fully automatic."


I actually saw a web page somewhere that claimed the original AR-15 was semi-auto, and then Armalite produced a full-auto version, called the AR-16. They apparently thought that was some kind of necessary intermediate step to get from AR-15 to M16.

[Hawkmoon]

I like the new "assault pistol" term I've seen used in relation to the UPS shooting last week.  Makes me picture an H&K Mark 23, or maybe a Glock 34 with an extended may, underbarrel light/laser unit and an optic.  I'd take either if someone was giving them away.  Especially the Glock would be fun.

It's not an assult pistol without a bayonet ...

[HeroHog]

Assault pistols:

John Dillinger M1911A1 Full Auto


Some Broom handle Mausers came in F/A


Astra 400


This one is the only fake one!

[Perd Hapley]

This one is the only fake one!

That thing kills baby snipers?!

[Perd Hapley]

New day, new clarification:

tack vs tact

Tact is sensitivity in social situations. A tack is a course or an approach (the word has nautical origins). When switching courses or taking a different approach, one changes tack, not tact.

[griz]

Tac vs Tack.  One just means "more expensive" while the other is an assault office supply item (because it's pointy)

[lee n. field]

It's not an assult pistol without a bayonet ...

A Taurus.  Be still my heart.

[Hawkmoon]

A Taurus.  Be still my heart.

I originally saw that pistol bayonet attached to a 1911, but I couldn't find a copy of that image that I could post a link to.

[HeroHog]

It's not an assult pistol without a bayonet ...

[Angel Eyes]

To clarify: California classifies certain handguns as "assault weapons": mostly Uzis, Tec-9s, and the like.  It's not clear if the handgun in question is an "assault weapon" under state law, or if the writer was just being careless.

Update: It's being reported that the murderer in the UPS mass shooting used a "Mac-10-style" pistoll, and California does consider the Mac-10 an "assault weapon":

http://www.sfgate.com/crime/article/UPS-shooter-in-San-Francisco-used-stolen-gun-with-11243414.php?ipid=articlerecirc

Funny how making them illegal didn't make them disappear ...

[Hawkmoon]

Update: It's being reported that the murderer in the UPS mass shooting used a "Mac-10-style" pistoll, and California does consider the Mac-10 an "assault weapon":

http://www.sfgate.com/crime/article/UPS-shooter-in-San-Francisco-used-stolen-gun-with-11243414.php?ipid=articlerecirc

Funny how making them illegal didn't make them disappear ...

Is it safe to assume that a UPS facility is [alleged to be] a gun-free zone?

[Perd Hapley]

Is it safe to assume that a UPS facility is [alleged to be] a gun-free zone?

Is it UPS or FedEx that no longer ships firearms?

[Hawkmoon]

Is it UPS or FedEx that no longer ships firearms?

AFAIK they both ship firearms. Many people claim (incorrectly) that UPS doesn't. Unless there has been a recent change, the deal is that UPS Stores (which are independently owned franchises) cannot accept firearms or ammunition for shipment. But you can take firearms and ammunition to a UPS hub for shipment. Both UPS and FedEx also require that firearms be shipped by 2nd Day Air. That's not required by federal regulations, but both companies had enough problems with firearms being stolen while in transit that they instituted the rule. 2nd day Air parcels spend less time where sticky fingers can "divert" them, and they are subject to better tracking.

[freakazoid]

Update: It's being reported that the murderer in the UPS mass shooting used a "Mac-10-style" pistoll, and California does consider the Mac-10 an "assault weapon":

http://www.sfgate.com/crime/article/UPS-shooter-in-San-Francisco-used-stolen-gun-with-11243414.php?ipid=articlerecirc

Funny how making them illegal didn't make them disappear ...

I wonder if the original owners that they were stolen from will get their guns back.
Interesting that two of the examples they gave were that the stolen firearms were taken from some government vehicle.

[lee n. field]

Is it UPS or FedEx that no longer ships firearms?

UPS will ship handguns, but only next day.  And our local UPS facility is a posted GFZ.