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News is a Matter of Timing
« on: June 27, 2018, 09:53:41 AM »
Without debating whether this was a good or bad shoot, something I was thinking about when I saw this story: A year ago, this would have been front page news with non-stop coverage and BLM "protests" blocking freeways everywhere over the last week. Now it's just a blurb buried in all the other news. I don't think I was even aware of it when it occurred.

Not that it doesn't happen all the time, but it's always of interest to me how we prioritize our news and how the MSM can drive events. Also how that prioritization can manipulate the law and destroy lives. If you were to call this cop guilty, he's probably getting a much lighter punishment than he would be getting if the news and social media weren't laser focused on Trump. If it was a good shoot and a slow news cycle, the cop would likely be getting railroaded.

Again, nothing new, but it just reminded me again how 24/7 news, social media, and timing can manipulate circumstances and bias.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/06/27/pennsylvania-police-officer-charged-in-shooting-death-antwon-rose.html
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Re: News is a Matter of Timing
« Reply #1 on: June 27, 2018, 09:59:33 AM »
I saw a link on drudge (I think) earlier, but it had no information to tell me what happened or why.  The video on this link still doesn't tell me much.  I guess the jury will hear what is known. 
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Re: News is a Matter of Timing
« Reply #2 on: June 27, 2018, 10:23:55 AM »
I saw a link on drudge (I think) earlier, but it had no information to tell me what happened or why.  The video on this link still doesn't tell me much.  I guess the jury will hear what is known.  

Though again, for me, this wasn't about whether this was a good or bad shoot. It's that at another point in time, "white cop shoots black kid" would be running the news cycle, and that focus and attention would bias the event. Today, that socialist winning a primary in Queens is getting more front page coverage.
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Re: News is a Matter of Timing
« Reply #3 on: June 27, 2018, 10:27:30 AM »
It's an interesting case.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Antwon_Rose_Jr.

Apparently, the Rose was in a car from which "someone" did a drive by shooting.  There were several people in the car.

When a cop stopped the car (ID from the description, plus it had bullet holes from return fire), two of the occupants ran.

The cop opened fire on both, killing one.

There were two guns in the car.  The dead kid had a pistol magazine in his pocket, but no gun on him.

Assuming the dead kid was involved in the shooting, it looks like it may be justified:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fleeing_felon_rule

Cops can apparently shoot fleeing violent felons if "necessary" to prevent them from escaping.

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Re: News is a Matter of Timing
« Reply #4 on: June 27, 2018, 10:42:05 AM »
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fleeing_felon_rule

Cops can apparently shoot fleeing violent felons if "necessary" to prevent them from escaping.
Nope, cops can't just shoot fleeing violent felons to stop them from escaping.  He will have to demonstrate in court that he had at the time "probable cause to believe that the suspect poses a significant threat of death or serious bodily harm to the officer or others."

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Re: News is a Matter of Timing
« Reply #5 on: June 27, 2018, 10:56:19 AM »
Nope, cops can't just shoot fleeing violent felons to stop them from escaping.  He will have to demonstrate in court that he had at the time "probable cause to believe that the suspect poses a significant threat of death or serious bodily harm to the officer or others."


I think at one time in history, in some jurisdictions,  cops actually could shoot fleeing felons.   This is no longer true today.....and even when/where it was,  it's possible there had to be some special circumstance involved to justify it.
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Re: News is a Matter of Timing
« Reply #6 on: June 27, 2018, 12:29:36 PM »
Well it is easier to stage a riot for the news crew if your president drags the cops under on TV first and sends people to dindu's family.
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Re: News is a Matter of Timing
« Reply #7 on: June 27, 2018, 04:53:06 PM »
A police officer may not seize an unarmed, nondangerous suspect by shooting him dead...however...Where the officer has probable cause to believe that the suspect poses a threat of serious physical harm, either to the officer or to others, it is not constitutionally unreasonable to prevent escape by using deadly force.

— Justice Byron White, Tennessee v. Garner[3]

Well, if the felon just committed a drive by shooting, this would seem to fit the bill to me.

The officer has just been charged, so I guess the gov don't think so though.

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Re: News is a Matter of Timing
« Reply #8 on: June 27, 2018, 05:39:22 PM »
And we see the continual movement towards de-policing. The gendarmes will soon become report takers only. Society sows the wind....
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Re: News is a Matter of Timing
« Reply #9 on: June 28, 2018, 09:38:50 AM »
And we see the continual movement towards de-policing. The gendarmes will soon become report takers only. Society sows the wind....

This.  Why in the world would anyone want to be a policeman now, I don't know.

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Re: News is a Matter of Timing
« Reply #10 on: June 28, 2018, 01:23:06 PM »
It's okay to put the kids back in the cages now. Justice Kennedy has announced his retirement....
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Re: News is a Matter of Timing
« Reply #11 on: June 28, 2018, 01:46:04 PM »
The left is actually insane, even more so than I can ever remember.

Their M.O. appears to be: find an "outrage", turn up the rage to 11, ride that for a week until a new outrage is found. Completely discard the previous outrage and turn the new outrage up to 12.

Some of these people are supposedly intelligent. They can't recognize this obvious pattern?

Because the sane people can and are.
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Re: News is a Matter of Timing
« Reply #12 on: June 28, 2018, 03:32:13 PM »
The left is actually insane, even more so than I can ever remember.

Their M.O. appears to be: find an "outrage", turn up the rage to 11, ride that for a week until a new outrage is found. Completely discard the previous outrage and turn the new outrage up to 12.

Some of these people are supposedly intelligent. They can't recognize this obvious pattern?

Because the sane people can and are.
Even better if there is something going on they don't want the American people to notice.  Russia investigation was fizzling out, FBI agents were being caught lying and playing politics...........Hey, look at those poor illegal alien children being separated from their parents!!!!!!!
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Re: News is a Matter of Timing
« Reply #13 on: June 28, 2018, 06:40:07 PM »
Even better if there is something going on they don't want the American people to notice.  Russia investigation was fizzling out, FBI agents were being caught lying and playing politics...........Hey, look at those poor illegal alien children being separated from their parents!!!!!!!

Exactly. Not to mention the shenanigans in the Clinton campaign.

What's that? I should be more specific? I think money laundering is the most recently discovered malfeasance.
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