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Gun seizures sans due process in Mass.
« on: July 07, 2018, 12:39:29 PM »
Signed by their governor one day before the Fourth of July.

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Bill H4670 enables the police, a family or household member, including roommates, relatives or significant others, to remove firearms, firearm identification cards and ammunition from any individual deemed to be a danger to oneself or others.

Thankfully, there's no possible way this will be abused by vindictive fecal-weasels that want to screw somebody over.

And I'm sure that the SCOTUS that will be in place, because Kennedy will be gone and likely RBG as well, when the first challenge to this legislation comes before them will let this pass by with nary a whimper in opposition. And then the idea will spread to all the other states and then we can really get busy with disarming all those dangerous folks! 

So take that, gun-heads! You're being backed into a corner and there's no way out and you have no other options!

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Re: Gun seizures sans due process in Mass.
« Reply #1 on: July 07, 2018, 01:39:05 PM »
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And then the idea will spread to all the other states and then we can really get busy with disarming all those dangerous folks!  

I think you missed something in the article:

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Massachusetts is the 12th state to enact such gun seizure laws, according to Huffington Post. It is also the seventh state to do so since the February school shooting in Parkland, Florida.

I don't think the MA law actually authorizes a roommate to physically seize the guns, but it probably establishes a long laundry list of "interested parties" who have standing to obtain an ex parte restraining order, which then sends the jack-booted thugs friendly, helpful police officers to confiscate the guns. This just happened to my NRA training counselor. His wife filed an order, and a SWAT team showed up at his house to take away all his guns and ammunition. Now he has had to hire an attorney to try to get them back.

Meanwhile, he's mostly out of business as a firearms trainer, because he can't touch a gun or ammunition. I told him to schedule any classes he wants to run, and I'll act as his assistant instructor. I've got plenty of blue guns, non-firing replicas, airsofts, and blank guns, and I'm not a prohibited person (that I know of), so we can make it work. The point being, though, that he had no warning. The cops just showed up. There was no due process before the fact. As in MA, my state's idea of "due process" now is, "We'll take them, and then you can argue why we shouldn't keep them later."
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Re: Gun seizures sans due process in Mass.
« Reply #2 on: July 08, 2018, 06:53:41 PM »
Hawkmoon's example of a seizure involves a messy divorce, but in other cases when I read about gun seizures for alleged mental disability, I always think that the State is establishing a very solid basis for a future insanity/diminished capacity defense should the target of their seizure do something . . . bad.
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