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And this is why nations need tariffs.
« on: September 03, 2018, 12:18:26 AM »
Not that tariffs would help with what's described in the article.

However, in the realm of physical goods if you don't protect your workers you get this same situation.

I don't know what Trump's game plan is with his targeted tariffs and I don't know how they'll end up working. 

I would prefer a more general tariff level of somewhere around 20% to 30% on everything that comes into the country aside from raw materials and foodstuffs we don't produce or produce enough of.

To avoid the tariffs foreign companies would open facilities here and employ Americans.  And they would do that, we've seen it happen before and it would happen again.
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Re: And this is why nations need tariffs.
« Reply #1 on: September 03, 2018, 12:37:40 AM »
Trump's gameplan is to eliminate the tariffs on US goods being charged by foreign governments.  He goal is actually free trade as in no tariffs (See the deal he made with Europe), but if the other countries won't do that, then he will charge tariffs on their products the way they charge tariffs on our products.

Yes. I would like to see free trade, but I realize that it's hard to compete against Mexican made cars, when they only pay their workers the equivalent of a few bucks an hour.
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Re: And this is why nations need tariffs.
« Reply #2 on: September 03, 2018, 11:27:09 PM »
I don't mind tariffs in moderation.  I think a relatively low tariff which was the same both ways would be fine.  That isn't what we had before Trump got started though.  Honestly, I would rather have reasonable tariffs and no income tax rather than the other way around.  

Also, I am not sure zero tariffs is truly Trump's goal or just his negotiating tactics.  However, he seems to be getting other countries to the table for real changes which previous administrations were unable to do (or didn't try).

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Re: And this is why nations need tariffs.
« Reply #3 on: September 04, 2018, 12:17:41 PM »
These services generally require little to no overhead and little to no skills.
I'm sure there are a lot of liberal arts degreed americans who can't find jobs in:
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Re: And this is why nations need tariffs.
« Reply #4 on: September 04, 2018, 01:31:29 PM »
Tariffs on industrial production products and technologies that are essential to national security make a lot of sense to me.

The problem with unfettered globalization is that the interdependency and dependency leaves us at the mercy of others.

Maybe our liberals actually believe in egalitarianism, unfettered markets and open borders but our geostrategic competitors don’t. And that puts us in a dangerous position if we don’t act in our best national interests first.
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Re: And this is why nations need tariffs.
« Reply #5 on: September 05, 2018, 10:46:46 AM »
Trump's gameplan is to eliminate the tariffs on US goods being charged by foreign governments.  He goal is actually free trade as in no tariffs (See the deal he made with Europe), but if the other countries won't do that, then he will charge tariffs on their products the way they charge tariffs on our products.
I believe this to be precisely his approach.  Do onto others.....  The American people will likely pay a price for a time because of the tariffs, but Trump probably views this as a negotiation approach and without stated approach to the subject, we're weak and have been weak for a long time.  I believe the feeling was that the US could afford to pay import tariffs or have tariffs on their exported products.  But it has not been an equal playing field as I understand it and Trump is trying to right this.  Canada may be a challenge since they are next door neighbors.  Mexico....  it is mostly a one way street with manufactured goods being imported into the US as US products are too expensive for regular folks in Mexico.

Years ago I was working in Colombia and rich people there would have these pretty fancy recreational type 4x4's and so forth.  I asked about cost and $50K was mentioned as typical when they were perhaps $25K in the US at the time.  Tariffs....
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