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Advice (again) appreciated about my website
« on: February 04, 2007, 01:39:17 PM »
Sorry to keep bugging everybody for comments, ideas, suggestions, etc., but I really have no other people to ask for suggestions.

I have banner ads for Henry Repeating Arms on 26 of the 1600+ pages on my site. Henry gets a remarkable click-through rate of 5% on those ads. They just renewed a few weeks ago for $1200 for 2007.

About three weeks ago, I put up banner ads for inexpensive pistol safes on just about every other page on the site. They're not selling well, though.

I'd thought about selling some inexpensive electronic shooting muffs, but I've found that some other sites--Cheaper Than Dirt, for example--are selling them for a few dollars more than what I would be paying the manufacturer. CTD obviously must move a lot, and get a volume price.

With that in mind, I've thought about approaching an outfit like Cheaper Than Dirt to see if they would be interested in running banner ads on roughly 1250 pages of my site. Their ads would be seen about 700,000 times per month.

The problem is that Cheaper Than Dirt competes with the shops on my site. How much? I don't know.

Would having ads from CTD on my site tick off the gun shop owners who pay $10 a month to be on my site? That's the question.

I need to grow this site more rapidly than I have been, and doing so means having more money come in than what I'm getting now. I really need to hire a part-time person to help with the phone work.

So, your thoughts on advertisers are much appreciated.




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Re: Advice (again) appreciated about my website
« Reply #1 on: February 04, 2007, 02:43:54 PM »
I didnt realize you also sold stuff on your site.  That means you already compete with the mom n pops.
This hits a sore spot with me.  I used to buy stuff from CDNN and SOG.  But my customers are not dumb and they get the fliers from both those outfits.  If they can order from them and have it shipped to me, what sense is my stocking anything they sell?  Additionally I've had bad experiences with items from SOG.  So I decided that if SOG and CDNN didnt care about their dealer base, by advertising their wares to anyone with an email address or PO box, then I wouldnt care about them either.  So I dont deal with either one, unless it is something I just cant get anywhere else.
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Re: Advice (again) appreciated about my website
« Reply #2 on: February 04, 2007, 03:22:36 PM »
You're already letting their physical competitors advertise on the site, so it theoretically shouldn't be a big deal if you let their internet competitors advertise as well.  That said, I'm sure there isn't a gun store owner in the world who hasn't dealt with a million idiots who complain that they can get something cheaper on the internet (and then complain about how high FFL charges are, of course.)  It might be rubbing salt in their wounds to have a CTD ad showing up when they go to look at their own webpage.

You might step on fewer toes if you talk to someone like a holster manufacturer instead.

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Re: Advice (again) appreciated about my website
« Reply #3 on: February 04, 2007, 03:42:31 PM »
Dick, I can see why those cheap gunsafes aren't selling very well. I wouldn't purchase one, myself mainly because it is a keyed lock. Then, one has the disadvantage of it opening on the top. I've been considering one for my truck and have seen some keyless ones that open from the end and a drawer slides out.

Now about CTD, most every person into guns and ammo knows about CTD, so, I don't see any harm, myself.  However, if you're close to any of your advertisers, perhaps you should ask how they feel?? I know of one in Minneapolis and I can ask him.
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Re: Advice (again) appreciated about my website
« Reply #4 on: February 04, 2007, 06:14:29 PM »
Thanks for the replies.

Long ago, I posted a rhetorical question on either THR or TFL, but I don't now remember the subject. One of the replies was essentially, "if you have to ask the question, you already know the answer."

True enough. I've thought about this all day, and realized it would probably be the wrong decision. Maybe not completely wrong, though.

The shops on my site get extremely inexpensive advertising. I don't know of another site that offers as much for so little.

If 1% of the people visiting the site click on an ad, that doesn't really have a huge impact on the shops who advertise on the site. Those who look at the shops' pages are looking for gun shops in their area, not a catalog from an online discounter.

Maybe the best approach is to do as Thor suggests, and ask some of the shop owners who advertise on my site.

Here's something, though, that frustrates me to no end. Henry Repeating Arms gets that great 5% click-through-rate because the people who click on Henry ads are people who are already interested in Henry products. That's why they're looking at Henry pages.

With that in mind, I contacted some marketing people at some of the other gun manufacturing companies. Nearly all of them have their own online stores where they sell hats, t-shirts, and accessories. I explained the success that Henry has had, and suggested that we try (for free for a month or two) putting banner ads on their product pages on my site for their online stores.

I was told that they don't really put much emphasis on their online stores.

Huh? Then why have them? Or maybe they're just giving me the brush-off.

Thor, those gun safes appeal to a very, very narrow market. I recognized that from the outset, and thought I'd just experiment with an item that didn't cost me anything upfront. As I said, it's not working.

Thanks for the replies, and for tolerating my constant questions.







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Re: Advice (again) appreciated about my website
« Reply #5 on: February 05, 2007, 06:59:49 AM »
Link?
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Re: Advice (again) appreciated about my website
« Reply #7 on: February 05, 2007, 01:57:15 PM »
CTD is a firearm accessory store. If they wanna buy space, their money should be good. Likewise for Cabella's, Bass Pro, etc...

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Re: Advice (again) appreciated about my website
« Reply #8 on: February 05, 2007, 02:03:25 PM »
You know, if you got pax to let you link to "cornered cat" you could set up a "women's interest" section in the links with her and W&G and a few others. 

If folks use you as a resource, that could get a little more word of mouth going for the site as a whole.
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Re: Advice (again) appreciated about my website
« Reply #9 on: February 05, 2007, 05:53:38 PM »
Bogie, I ran banner ads across those 1250 or so pages for Impact Guns, as part of their affiliate program. I gave it a month or two, and IIRC I made about $60. The percentage of any sale tends to be pretty low.

Impact Guns was a direct competitor for every shop on my site. Yet, none of the shop owners complained.

I've had a couple of shop owners ask how much extra I'd charge them to have their shops be the only stores in their state on my site.

I have webmasters who run for-profit sites really laying into me because I'm not making as much money as they are, yet I'm getting more traffic and page views than they are.

To those webmasters' credit, they first looked at which niches would attract the best-paying advertisers, and then built their sites around those niches.

I, on the other hand, was focusing on how to give gun shops more internet exposure, and make an income for myself at the same time. (See my thread titled, "Business savvy").

The site I've built works. It does what I've promised. But I've built a site that is more time-intensive than many other sites. That's why I'd like to run some ads that generate enough extra revenue so that I can hire on another person to help with the phone calls, which are the most time-intensive part of the job.

Carebear: "If folks use you as a resource, that could get a little more word of mouth going for the site as a whole."

I'll ask Pax if she wants to exchange some links. I thought we already had.

As for my traffic, my site brings in more visitors than does Sigarms', or other major manufacturers.

I've had permission from Taurus for over a year to add photos and product descriptions of their guns to my site. Just adding Taurus alone would boost my traffic by 15-20%.

The folks at Benelli wanted to wait and see how my site developed. They were concerned that shops on the site would say that they sold Benelli's when, in fact, those shops were not in the Benelli-direct program (a stupid idea if I ever saw one). At any rate, I can now prove to Benelli that every shop that mentions the Benelli name is in their ridiculous dealer-direct program.

Adding Benelli would boost traffic to my site by perhaps 5-10%.

But adding all of these brands takes time. Taurus alone would require seven solid days of downloading photos, re-sizing them, copying the product descriptions, and creating new pages.

That's seven days that I wouldn't be able to work the phones.

Again, thank your for all of your replies and suggestions. Please keep them coming.

Rabbi, why isn't your store on my site? I've had a long-standing "offer you can't refuse" for any store owners who are THR members, and you should have been invited long ago. PM me if you're interested.



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Re: Advice (again) appreciated about my website
« Reply #10 on: February 05, 2007, 11:14:51 PM »
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Re: Advice (again) appreciated about my website
« Reply #11 on: February 06, 2007, 11:56:57 PM »
I notice that you are doing a lot of this stuff manually. Have you thought about getting a web programmer to make your website dynamic? The cost of a quality programmer isn't cheap, but it would probably save you a lot of time in the long run. 

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« Reply #12 on: February 07, 2007, 12:46:09 PM »
Metallic, I created all of the pages, both static as well as dynamic.

The dynamic pages are there so that the shop owners can update their pages themselves, as often as they want.

I created the static pages as I did because it's easier to get good search engine rankings with static pages rather than dynamic. And the fact that the site ranks in the top five results on Google for just about any term I want bears out my opinion.

I do part-time search engine optimization work for a hosting company, and I cringe every time they give me a dynamic site to work on.