Dear employee: please do not use toxic cleaning products at Buffalo Wild Wings

[MillCreek]

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/08/us/buffalo-wild-wings-death.html?action=click&module=Latest&pgtype=Homepage

The product cited in the article, Super 8, is a concentrated bleach solution.  Usually, when I read stories like this, the bleach was mixed with something else, usually ammonia, and people dropped like flies.  I will be interested to see the story as it develops and was another chemical used with the bleach.

[makattak]

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/08/us/buffalo-wild-wings-death.html?action=click&module=Latest&pgtype=Homepage

The product cited in the article, Super 8, is a concentrated bleach solution.  Usually, when I read stories like this, the bleach was mixed with something else, usually ammonia, and people dropped like flies.  I will be interested to see the story as it develops and was another chemical used with the bleach.

I assumed that mixing with ammonia was what happened as well when I heard this on the radio. If it was just the bleach, that's pretty rare.

[Brad Johnson]

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Super 8 is used in restaurant dish washing systems as a sanitizing agent. It's usually in some kind of automated dispensing system. My civic group had a dishware sanitizer at our fundraising restaurant that used the stuff. It's potent. Mix it with some type of acidic agent and things get bad fast.

Story I saw said the guy's exhibited symptom was extreme nausea. I wonder if he ingested it?

Brad

[BobR]

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Super 8 is used in restaurant dish washing systems as a sanitizing agent. It's usually in some kind of automated dispensing system. My civic group had a dishware sanitizer at our fundraising restaurant that used the stuff. It's potent. Mix it with some type of acidic agent and things get bad fast.

Story I saw said the guy's exhibited symptom was extreme nausea. I wonder if he ingested it?

Brad

Chlorine gas can cause nausea and vomiting.

bob

[RoadKingLarry]

Chlorine gas can cause nausea and vomiting.

bob

It can also kill the *expletive deleted*it out of you.

[BobR]

It can also kill the *expletive deleted*it out of you.

Right after you start throwing up.

bob

[charby]

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/08/us/buffalo-wild-wings-death.html?action=click&module=Latest&pgtype=Homepage

The product cited in the article, Super 8, is a concentrated bleach solution.  Usually, when I read stories like this, the bleach was mixed with something else, usually ammonia, and people dropped like flies.  I will be interested to see the story as it develops and was another chemical used with the bleach.

Looks like they used a pesticide off label. Nothing on the label about using it on floor. Label even says not to mix with detergents.

Yes, it is a pesticide, EPA Reg. No. 6243-7. Violation of Federal Law to use inconsistent to label. With a fatality, this going to be expensive for the BBW franchise owner.

[Brad Johnson]

Looks like they used a pesticide off label. Nothing on the label about using it on floor. Label even says not to mix with detergents.

Yes, it is a pesticide, EPA Reg. No. 6243-7. Violation of Federal Law to use inconsistent to label. With a fatality, this going to be expensive for the BBW franchise owner.

EPA 6243-7 is for a document clarifying Super 8's use as a sanitizer, not a pesticide.

Super 8 is a fancy product name for sodium hypochlorite solution. It's plain old bleach, albeit at about a 50% higher concentration than the household stuff. It's used in Auto-Chlor dishware sanitizing systems.

Brad

[charby]

EPA 6243-7 is for a document clarifying Super 8's use as a sanitizer, not a pesticide.

Super 8 is a fancy product name for sodium hypochlorite solution. It's nothing more than plan old bleach, albeit at about a 50% higher concentration than the household stuff.

Brad

If it has an EPA Registration Number it is a pesticide. Clorox Bleach is a pesticide too. This is what I do for a living.

https://www.epa.gov/minimum-risk-pesticides/what-pesticide

[MillCreek]

Right after you start throwing up.

bob

Dr. Michael Copass was the head of Seattle Medic One and the Harborview Emergency Department for decades.  A neurologist by training, Washington had to pass a special law just for him allowing someone other than an emergency medicine physician to head up an emergency department.  After his retirement, he was being interviewed about mass disasters caused by terrorism and he helpfully pointed out that it would be easy and cheap to kill tens of thousands of people if a terrorist drove a chlorine tanker adjacent to Husky Stadium during a football game and blew it up.  I understand that he got quite the talking to after that.

[MillCreek]

If it has an EPA Registration Number it is a pesticide. Clorox Bleach is a pesticide too. This is what I do for a living.

https://www.epa.gov/minimum-risk-pesticides/what-pesticide

Don't leave us hanging!  What pests should we be using bleach on?

[charby]

Don't leave us hanging!  What pests should we be using bleach on?

undesirable microbes and viruses

[RoadKingLarry]

undesirable microbes and viruses

And large segments of the modern gene pool.

[BobR]

Dr. Michael Copass was the head of Seattle Medic One and the Harborview Emergency Department for decades.  A neurologist by training, Washington had to pass a special law just for him allowing someone other than an emergency medicine physician to head up an emergency department.  After his retirement, he was being interviewed about mass disasters caused by terrorism and he helpfully pointed out that it would be easy and cheap to kill tens of thousands of people if a terrorist drove a chlorine tanker adjacent to Husky Stadiumduring a football game and blew it up.  I understand that he got quite the talking to after that.

At a Husky game, surely you jest.   Go Cougs


:)


bob

[MillCreek]

undesirable microbes and viruses

So this is a serious question: pesticides are not just limited to insect control?

[Andiron]

It can also kill the *expletive deleted*it out of you.

Good ol' mustard gas.

[zxcvbob]

I assumed that mixing with ammonia was what happened as well when I heard this on the radio. If it was just the bleach, that's pretty rare.

If you mix bleach and ammonia, you get chloramine (kinda smells like chlorine but it's not)  If you mix bleach and an acid, you get chlorine.  When cleaning grody bottles, I sometimes add a few drops of hydrochloric acid or vinegar to a weak bleach solution to "activate" the free chlorine.  It got unpleasant really fast when I mixed it too strong once.  

[Perd Hapley]

...a restaurant employee mixed an acidic detergent called Scale Kleen with a bleach-like cleaner...

Isn't that how they normally make the wing sauce?

[charby]

So this is a serious question: pesticides are not just limited to insect control?

True, the term pesticide, includes herbicides, insecticides, fungicides,  etc

[TechMan]

The episode occurred after a restaurant employee mixed an acidic detergent called Scale Kleen with a bleach-like cleaner sold as Super 8 to clean the kitchen floor, causing a chemical reaction, the authorities said.

MSDS for Scale Kleen https://www.h2odistributors.com/global/pdf/scalekleen22_ServiceManual.pdf

[makattak]

If you mix bleach and ammonia, you get chloramine (kinda smells like chlorine but it's not)  If you mix bleach and an acid, you get chlorine.  When cleaning grody bottles, I sometimes add a few drops of hydrochloric acid or vinegar to a weak bleach solution to "activate" the free chlorine.  It got unpleasant really fast when I mixed it too strong once.  

I should have remembered that. My chemistry recollection is lacking.