Author Topic: Stupid Oil Filters (Read 1148 times)

Ben · « **on:** March 27, 2022, 05:48:26 PM »

So I did an oil change on my tractor Friday and was just sitting down to order a new filter (I like to have them on hand in advance) for next time. They have stopped making mine and replaced it with another OEM filter (LS Tractor).

This would be no big deal, except I barely have room to get the filter wrench on the very end of the current filter. The replacement filter is shorter and fatter. I'm sure I'll be able to get it on, but I have no idea how I'm going to be able to grab it with any leverage when it's time to change it. I'm going to need to look for some different kind of filter wrench or just resign myself to having to stab that one with a screwdriver or something to get it off. It would be nice if it would have had a nut on the end so I could wrench it off, like my UTV filter has.

I just don't see the logic in changing the dimensions on the new one. It appears to end up being the same volume. Oh well - first world problems.

French G. · « **Reply #1 on:** March 27, 2022, 06:04:40 PM »

Can you get to it with anything else? Giant channellocks have always been a hit around here.

Ben · « **Reply #2 on:** March 27, 2022, 06:09:28 PM »

Quote from: French G. on March 27, 2022, 06:04:40 PM

Can you get to it with anything else? Giant channellocks have always been a hit around here.

I was kind of thinking that route. Length of the handles might be a problem. Maybe I can get a cheap HF set and saw the handles shorter. I'll have to see when the time comes in another 100 hours. I just know it's going to be a problem based on barely being able to get to the longer, skinnier one.

Nick1911 · « **Reply #3 on:** March 27, 2022, 06:22:28 PM »

A vice grip style chain wrench might work, depending on your clearances.

Ben · « **Reply #4 on:** March 27, 2022, 06:35:15 PM »

Quote from: Nick1911 on March 27, 2022, 06:22:28 PM

A vice grip style chain wrench might work, depending on your clearances.

Actually my first choice, and I was gonna use my chain wrench on the current filter because it was on pretty good this time, but there was no room for the chain, so it definitely won't work with the fatter filter.

Brad Johnson · « **Reply #5 on:** March 27, 2022, 08:49:15 PM »

Strap wrench. Thinner than a chain.

Brad

RoadKingLarry · « **Reply #6 on:** March 27, 2022, 09:07:58 PM »

Strap wrench. I've got one that the strap is perpendicular to a 3/4" ID square tubing. Works pretty good for hard to reach filters.

Ben · « **Reply #7 on:** March 27, 2022, 09:09:15 PM »

Quote from: RoadKingLarry on March 27, 2022, 09:07:58 PM

Strap wrench. I've got one that the strap is perpendicular to a 3/4" ID square tubing. Works pretty good for hard to reach filters.

Please to be explaining the perpendicular. I have s strap wrench, but it's configured like a regular old filter wrench.

RoadKingLarry · « **Reply #8 on:** March 27, 2022, 09:14:21 PM »

Looks just like this.

https://www.napaonline.com/en/p/SER773149

Edit: first try wasn't right

griz · « **Reply #9 on:** March 27, 2022, 11:00:03 PM »

Can you get a wrench like this on it or is access to the top the show stopper?

Bogie · « **Reply #10 on:** March 28, 2022, 12:53:53 AM »

Get me info on the tractor and any part numbers from previous filters.

And...

https://shop.snapon.com/product/Oil-Filter-Wrenches/61%E2%80%93124-mm-Spider-Filter-Wrench-with-Adaptor-(Blue-Point)-(silver)/OFCA2KT

O'Reilly has a Lisle copy for about half that price. Ask the counter guy.

K Frame · « **Reply #11 on:** March 28, 2022, 07:03:16 AM »

Those spider wrenches can be the tits on some applications. My parent's had... IIRC, a Ford Expedition with a buried oil filter and it was an SOB to get at. Spider wrench was a big help.

Ben · « **Reply #12 on:** March 28, 2022, 07:54:29 AM »

Quote from: griz on March 27, 2022, 11:00:03 PM

Can you get a wrench like this on it or is access to the top the show stopper?

That could work. I've never seen one before. Is that what Mike is calling a "spider wrench"? Are they some kind of "one size fits all" thing? Depending on how thick it is, that could be the bee's knees.

Bogie · « **Reply #13 on:** March 28, 2022, 08:02:47 AM »

The rape van link I posted a few up is a link to one of Snappy's spider wrenches. Lisle makes a knockoff... They tighten as you loosen. Text me the info.

Ben · « **Reply #14 on:** March 28, 2022, 08:04:27 AM »

Quote from: Bogie on March 28, 2022, 12:53:53 AM

Get me info on the tractor and any part numbers from previous filters.

It's for an LS XG3135H (or the XR3135H is more often listed but the same engine). The LS original filter part # is 40318591. The "replaced by" part # is 40409065

40318591 filter:

40409065 filter:

K Frame · « **Reply #15 on:** March 28, 2022, 08:04:35 AM »

"Is that what Mike is calling a "spider wrench"?"

No. That one I call a cup wrench.

This is a spider filter wrench.

Ben · « **Reply #16 on:** March 28, 2022, 08:07:36 AM »

Quote from: Bogie on March 28, 2022, 08:02:47 AM

The rape van link I posted a few up is a link to one of Snappy's spider wrenches. Lisle makes a knockoff... They tighten as you loosen. Text me the info.

Oh, got it. I'm getting one of those regardless. I've got a few filters where that's gonna be WAY easier. I'll check an O'Reilly's the next time I'm in the city. Thanks!

griz · « **Reply #17 on:** March 28, 2022, 08:21:25 AM »

Quote from: Ben on March 28, 2022, 07:54:29 AM

That could work. I've never seen one before. Is that what Mike is calling a "spider wrench"? Are they some kind of "one size fits all" thing? Depending on how thick it is, that could be the bee's knees.

It's a cup wrench. Not a one size fits all, I think there are three or four standard sizes.

charby · « **Reply #18 on:** March 28, 2022, 10:45:36 AM »

I used to have a Chevy S-10 with a 3.8 V-6 that the filter horrible to get at. I ended up getting a Lisle branded oil filer wrench like this one to get at it. I don't think Lisle makes them any more but other brands do.

zxcvbob · « **Reply #19 on:** March 28, 2022, 12:47:25 PM »

Quote from: Ben on March 28, 2022, 07:54:29 AM

That could work. I've never seen one before. Is that what Mike is calling a "spider wrench"? Are they some kind of "one size fits all" thing? Depending on how thick it is, that could be the bee's knees.

A spider wrench is adjustable. (self adjusting) The one in that pic is for a specific diameter filter, and you should be able to use an open-end wrench to turn it if there's not enough room for a ratchet. Either type ought to work, it just depends how much room you don't have.

Brad Johnson · « **Reply #20 on:** March 28, 2022, 12:50:08 PM »

If it's going to be an ongoing PITA, might consider a filter relocation kit. Get the filter out to more accessible location.

https://www.summitracing.com/search/part-type/oil-filter-relocation-kits

Brad

French G. · « **Reply #21 on:** March 28, 2022, 06:39:19 PM »

Quote from: Brad Johnson on March 28, 2022, 12:50:08 PM

If it's going to be an ongoing PITA, might consider a filter relocation kit. Get the filter out to more accessible location.

https://www.summitracing.com/search/part-type/oil-filter-relocation-kits

Brad

Cheaper to develop enough of a leak so that you never change oil. Sounds rednecky so let’s call it open system filtration. :D

Bogie · « **Reply #22 on:** March 28, 2022, 08:47:28 PM »

Okay - Did a bit of digging with the help of the poor bastards still at the store. It -might- cross to an easily available Wix 51516. Also seeing Delco PF2210 and Royal Purple 10-2836.

Bogie · « **Reply #23 on:** March 28, 2022, 08:48:10 PM »

And Jeremy Clarkson's tractor is WAY cooler.

Ben · « **Reply #24 on:** April 16, 2022, 10:53:19 AM »

Quote from: K Frame on March 28, 2022, 08:04:35 AM

"Is that what Mike is calling a "spider wrench"?"

No. That one I call a cup wrench.

This is a spider filter wrench.

Picked that up. It is going to do the trick. Just barely with the new model filter, but I would have been up *expletive deleted*it creek otherwise.

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Author Topic: Stupid Oil Filters (Read 1148 times)