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Summer. Time for cold beer, juicy hamburgers & ....
« on: May 30, 2007, 08:30:45 AM »
A side order of bovine spongiform encephalopathy.  The Bush administration will fight a ruling that would permit meat producers from testing for BSE in all the animals they process.   I guess its time to dust off my collection of Vegetarian Times Magazine.  angry

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Feds fight broad testing for mad cow
False positives could harm meat industry, USDA argues
The Associated Press
Updated: 4:36 p.m. MT May 29, 2007

WASHINGTON - The Bush administration said Tuesday it will fight to keep meatpackers from testing all their animals for mad cow disease.

The U.S. Department of Agriculture tests fewer than 1 percent of slaughtered cows for the disease, which can be fatal to humans who eat tainted beef. A beef producer in Kansas, Creekstone Farms Premium Beef, wants to test all of its cows.

Larger meat companies feared that move because, if Creekstone should test its meat and advertised it as safe, they might have to perform the expensive tests on their larger herds as well.

A federal judge ruled in March that such tests must be allowed. The ruling was scheduled to take effect June 1, but the Agriculture Department said Tuesday it would appeal, effectively delaying the testing until the court challenge has played out.

Mad cow disease, or bovine spongiform encephalopathy, is linked to more than 150 human deaths worldwide, mostly in Britain.

Three cases of mad cow disease have been found in the United States. The first, in December 2003 in Washington state, was in a cow that had been imported from Canada. The second, in 2005, was in a cow born in Texas. The third was confirmed last year in an Alabama cow.

The Agriculture Department argued that widespread testing could lead to a false positive that would harm the U.S. meat industry. U.S. District Judge James Robertson noted that Creekstone sought to use the same test the government relies on and said the government lacked the authority to restrict it.

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Re: Summer. Time for cold beer, juicy hamburgers & ....
« Reply #1 on: May 30, 2007, 08:48:07 AM »
extra pickles and extra prions for me

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Re: Summer. Time for cold beer, juicy hamburgers & ....
« Reply #2 on: May 30, 2007, 08:52:21 AM »
Fish onna grill. Fish is good.

There's always bison burgers, too.

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« Reply #3 on: May 30, 2007, 09:32:25 AM »
I love putting veggies in foil and grilling them.  Mmm.

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Re: Summer. Time for cold beer, juicy hamburgers & ....
« Reply #4 on: May 30, 2007, 09:46:39 AM »
Fish onna grill. Fish is good.

There's always bison burgers, too.

Fish got mecury and other heavy metals in them, make you crazy like Fistful

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« Reply #5 on: May 30, 2007, 09:46:55 AM »
Where's the beef?

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« Reply #6 on: May 30, 2007, 10:01:04 AM »
Ain't nothing.  I ate venison steak on Memorial Day from one of my deer kills last fall, and Chronic Wasting Disease is only a free-ranging variant of Mad Cow Disease.   I'm of the opinion that most men will die from prostate cancer eventually, I may as well go mad and die from what I ate before that happens.   grin
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Re: Summer. Time for cold beer, juicy hamburgers & ....
« Reply #7 on: May 30, 2007, 05:30:45 PM »
The odds from e-coli contaminated produce is probably worse. I prefer a steak. I know it came from one cow. A hamburger can be from herds of cows, all mixed together. I do think the testing regulation is a bad thing though. It would be great to eat a big juicy hamburger with no worries!
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« Reply #8 on: May 30, 2007, 08:10:38 PM »
Maybe the Administration is thinking that more Americans with spongiform brains can only improve Bush's approval rating?
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« Reply #9 on: May 30, 2007, 10:48:38 PM »
Jeebus!  Didn't take long for somebody to turn the thread into a Bush-bashing, did it?

Is that something like Godwin's Law?  rolleyes
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« Reply #10 on: May 31, 2007, 02:49:27 AM »
Well, they do leave themselves vulnerable to such attacks.  From claiming those who oppose the new immigration bill are unpatriotic (where have we heard that term before) to blocking meat producers from testing their own product, etc, who needs the WoT or Iraq?

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« Reply #11 on: May 31, 2007, 04:50:19 AM »
How can the Dept of Aggies keep a meat producer from testing it's own cows?

And, can mad cow disease be killed by cooking?
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« Reply #12 on: May 31, 2007, 05:27:56 AM »
How can the Dept of Aggies keep a meat producer from testing it's own cows?

And, can mad cow disease be killed by cooking?

Here is my take on it.

I don't think so because a prion, (abnormal protein string) is what causes Mad Cow disease. The prion string rattles around in a neural cell until it finds a piece of RNA that it can cling onto and then screws up the normal DNA that would have created from the RNA, which in turn makes a mutated neural cell that if I recall, destroys itself (the cell) rather quickly.

These prions are passed from animal to animal when they are fed protein from the same species. It is fairly common practice to take protein from animal by products and re-feed back to animals, protein is protein. I think the number of BSE cases in the US is lower because we have cheap plant based protein in the form of soybean meal, other countries such as England, France and Ireland probably do not, which may explain the higher numbers of BSE reported there.

So they probably cook the byproducts to get the protein, so cooking may not destroy the protein. Also if I recall correctly the prion is only found in the spinal column and brain, I'm not sure if those parts are used to make meat products for human consumption or not. I have heard of people eating calf brains.

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« Reply #13 on: May 31, 2007, 05:37:35 AM »
I've read that it takes heat far in excess of what would turn a burger or steak into charcoal to destroy prions.
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« Reply #14 on: May 31, 2007, 05:47:20 AM »
That is true.  You can't cook food well enough to destroy prions.  You'll end up with ashes first.

No Mike, not even my wife can manage that level of doneness. Wink

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« Reply #15 on: May 31, 2007, 06:37:05 AM »
That is true.  You can't cook food well enough to destroy prions.  You'll end up with ashes first.

No Mike, not even my wife can manage that level of doneness. Wink

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« Reply #16 on: May 31, 2007, 07:01:55 AM »
That is true.  You can't cook food well enough to destroy prions.  You'll end up with ashes first.

No Mike, not even my wife can manage that level of doneness. Wink

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« Reply #17 on: May 31, 2007, 07:08:18 AM »
You'd think so.

Just so you know... My wife thinks all meat should be cooked to just beyond well done.  She's so paranoid about it, she won't eat beef if it's slightly pink, so I have to put her steak on several minutes before everyone else's and leave it on longer.  Better to be overdone than under for her.

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« Reply #18 on: May 31, 2007, 07:30:08 AM »
"My wife thinks all meat should be cooked to just beyond well done."

Must be hell in the bedroom....
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« Reply #19 on: May 31, 2007, 07:19:54 PM »
Mike,

Now that there just ain't right. But it is funny.
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« Reply #20 on: May 31, 2007, 09:36:08 PM »
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I'm of the opinion that most men will die from prostate cancer eventually, I may as well go mad and die from what I ate before that happens.

Did you know that research indicates that for optimum prostate health, a man should ejaculate at least 28 times per month?
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« Reply #21 on: June 01, 2007, 03:12:11 AM »
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I'm of the opinion that most men will die from prostate cancer eventually, I may as well go mad and die from what I ate before that happens.

Did you know that research indicates that for optimum prostate health, a man should ejaculate at least 28 times per month?

That few?
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« Reply #22 on: June 01, 2007, 07:30:47 AM »
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Did you know that research indicates that for optimum prostate health, a man should ejaculate at least 28 times per month?

A month?  Now you tell me.  I thought it was each week.  Whew.  grin
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