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Azrael256

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« on: May 29, 2005, 12:27:43 AM »
Ok, so you guys have probably noticed a thread or two from me on home repair issues.  As a little background on myself: I earned my Home Repair merit badge when I was a scout, and I helped dad build shelves, decks, hang fans, etc. in our old house.  My experience in that arena is mostly electrical and finish carpentry.  Evidently the small hands of an 11 year old are good for that sort of thing.

Here's the problem: This house burned to the slab about five years ago.  Obviously it has since been rebuilt.  Unfortunately, it was rebuilt by retarded monkeys.  The wiring, plumbing, etc. are up to code (mostly), but there are a whole slew of "little things" that have started cropping up that require an inordinate amount of work.  You may recall the thread on the leaky shower.  Another fine example is my discovery, using "Newton's method," that the POS Rubbermaid closet racks are screwed to the drywall.  Not the studs, the drywall.  With 1" drywall screws, not anchors.  The caulking on the baseboards is poor.  It looks like it was just squirted down and left to dry.  I can smooth caulk better with my big toe.  The water line from the street was plumbed in using flex tubing for a water heater, not proper sweated fittings.  I find something new every week.

Fortunately, I enjoy working with my hands, and my brother will do anything for a case of beer.  Labor and motivation are not in short supply.

So, I have compiled a to-do list.  I don't plan to live here much longer, and neither does my brother, but I want mom and stepdad to live in a house that won't fall over.  Also, I know my phone will ring every time something breaks.  It's not that I don't want to see my parents, I'd just rather not have to tote my toolbox every time I come over.  So, here is my list, along with some questions.  Any miscellaneous advice you can come up with is also welcome.

Closet Shelving - I am replacing the junky racks with something solid.  I have come up with a plan to screw some 1x4s to the wall, and then attach some 1/2" galvanized pipe using floor flanges.  I tried this out in my closet, as my suits were laying on the floor following the "explosion," and it seems to work rather well.  I can do pullups on the bar.  Now all I need is a shelf on which to put my shoes.  I need recommendations on just what wood to use.  Additionally, I'm going to rip out the wire shelving in the other closets.  What do you guys recommend as a replacement for it?  Mom's closet has five shelves.  One of them holds the closet rod.  The other four along the sides span about 48".  Again, wood selection and the appropriate method of securing them are the question.  I don't need them to be super sturdy, but something that will support 50-60lbs. would be good.

Closet Shelving Part II - Our coat closet is very deep.  We're talking almost 6'.  I would like to build something to sit in the back of the closet.  Something like a 3-4' high bookshelf would do nicely.  I'm debating whether I want to build it in place, or construct it and then just set it down on the carpet in there.  I'm thinking that something in place would work better, but I'm open to ideas.  If I go with something in-place, I will have to cut and re-tack the carpet, but that's no biggie.  Material choice is, again, a concern.

Garage Shelving - Believe it or not, that blasted Rubbermaid junk made it into the garage.  A good solid 80' of it, in total.  Dad and I built sliding-door cabinets in our old garage.  They stood about 4' off the floor.  I don't want something that will sit on the slab (and it can't anyway, as the garage is sunk about 4" below the rest of the slab grade), but it can't be super tall.  Both mom and stepdad are pretty short.  It is intended just as storage, not specifically for tools, just for household stuff that can stand the temperature changes.  I looked at quality wire shelving, but I can build the same shelf-footage for a third the cost out of pine and plywood, and I want something that sits up off the slab anyway.  I'm trying to decide between open-front cabinets, closed cabinets, and regular shelving.  Again, materials are a question, and design recommendations are most welcome.

Exterior doors - I read that exterior doors are often too easy to kick in.  I want to reinforce them.  Mom won't allow heavy steel doors with fiberglass armor core, so I'm pretty much stuck with the el-cheapo pine.  I read about screwing a good long strip of metal over the bolt side of the door jamb (cutting holes for the bolt and the knob striker, of course).  I poked around at home depot, but I came up with nothing (not that I expected much out of them anyway).  Where might one procure such materials?  Don't worry, I'm not neglecting the windows.  They're all vinyl sliding windows (some horizontal, some vertical) so I'm just going to stick dowel rods in the way.  I've already devised a system for that.

Garage hanging storage - We have a bunch of luggage, sleeping bags, air mattresses, and the like.  I would like to suspend those from the ceiling.  I'm thinking cargo nets.  I have devised a system to allow those of the shorter persuasion to raise and lower the nets (dad bought a sailboat when we were kids, so rigging is old hat to me), but I can't seem to find a net at a decent price.  Anybody know a place where I might find some netting, or have instructions on how to make them?  I could easily secure a supply of 550 cord on the cheap, so I'm not opposed to weaving something myself.  I looked at cheapo hammocks, but I would prefer something a little sturdier.

Exterior door trim - The trim, and part of the frame of one of our exterior doors is rotten.  The bottom 6" of it is basically dust.  The carpentry bit is no biggie, but the cement on which this stuff sits is never dry.  It is actually green with growing thingies.  This little alcove faces North, and is protected on both sides by exterior walls, so there is zero airflow and zero sunlight.  Originally, the door was sliding with an aluminum frame, but the rebuild of the house came with a french door type setup.  I know that treated lumber is a good start, but I would like to find a way to treat the concrete so that it doesn't allow water to seep back up under the trim.  I know exactly nothing about concrete sealants.

Mailbox - Our mailbox is one of the standard metal jobbies.  It is also falling into the street at an alarming rate.  We had a really nice one that grandad welded up from a bucket of horseshoes at the old house.  A car hit it.  The car was totaled, and the mailbox was slightly scratched.  Obviously I can't just go rip that one out, so who makes something good and sturdy that won't remind me of the leaning tower of Piza?  Wood?  Metal?  Plastic?  I'm willing to do anything short of brick.

That's all that comes to mind at the moment.  I'm sure I'll be back for more later.  Wish me luck!

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« Reply #1 on: May 30, 2005, 03:55:11 AM »
Hanging Garage Storage:
   I think your best option is to get something from Wal-Mart or what not its called Hanging Loft Jr. (or something along those lines..) I believe.  A nice solid metal With a wire mesh bottom.  This things Looks solid its worth checking out.

The rest: Huh? But I am getting a house myself so I will be keeping eyes on your thread to help satisfy my needs in this area.

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« Reply #3 on: May 31, 2005, 01:18:30 PM »
Closet shelving - See if there is a retail mechandising supply store in your area. Preferably on that sells used stuff. Some adjustable shelving with hinged supports, combined with a 1x12 and a piece of trim for a toeboard would make for a dandy shoe shelf. Also, you might want to investigate some of the combo rod hanger support/shelf brackets available at your local home supply center. There are some pretty good ones.

Closet shelving - go with your idea. Sounds like a good one.

Garage shelving - tough call. I like the wire stuff. It's easy and strong. However, you can also get some good generic shelf brackets and 1x10'x or 1x12's and do the same thing. Check out Sears and Lowes. The have some pretty nifty garage storage stuff now (just don't look at the price tags).

Exterior doors - you have unreinforced exterior doors? 'Round these parts the door has to be either steel clad or reinforced core to be rated for use as an entry door. At the very least anti-kick hinges (the have little tabs to make it harder to kick in) and extra-long hing screws will make more difference than you would imagine. I'm surprised you didn't find the striker plates at your Home Depot in the doorknob dept. Last time I was there they had a couple. FYI - you can reinforce the strike plate by drilling an oversize hole behind the plate and insterting a peice of piping. That, and a doorknob reinforcing sleeve, will make the door about as secure as it can get short of a steel door and reinforced metal jamb.

Rotting Exterior trim - let me introduce you to the wonders of Hardi-board. Concrete based, paintable, workable with wood tools, and darn near indestructable. I'll never put real wood trim on a house again. Ever. http://www.jameshardie.com/homeowner.htm

Mailboxes - Try here http://www.mailboxworks.com/  here http://www.mailboxesresidential.com/ and here http://www.ebay.com/

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« Reply #4 on: May 31, 2005, 01:45:59 PM »
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you have unreinforced exterior doors
Actually, no.  The door isn't really the problem, it's the frame.  We have a space made for a double door, but the reconstruction came with a different type where there's only one large-ish door, and a solid extension off the frame to meet it in the middle.  The problem is that the "solid" part of the door is hollow, el-cheapo pine.  It has some kind of cladding on it, but I have little confidence in its ability to stop a kick to the lock side of the door.  The pipe idea sounds good, though.  I bet with a tiny bit of welding, I could integrate that into a 2' long strike plate.

And thanks for the Hardi-board stuff.  That's just *exactly* what I need.  It's much better than the treated lumber and Thompson's I was thinking of.

My main problem with the existing garage shelving is that it...  well...  sucks.  The shelves themselves have a decent strength, but they're mounted so poorly that more than about 200lbs. on a 10' shelf sends it crashing.  Some of the stuff in the garage is actually in the studs, but some of it is just wall anchors (which is a step up from the closets, at least), but the brackets on the wall are just plastic, and they break in half with much load.  I think I'll give Sears or Lowes a chance with their stuff before I break out the saw, though.  Something pre-fab that actually works would be a whole lot easier than building cabinets.

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« Reply #5 on: May 31, 2005, 08:33:57 PM »
Its the Highloft Jr.  36x36 inch hanging thing for the garage good item.  Another idea is to check out your local Habitat for Humanity Re-Store.

 http://www.dallas-habitat.org/outlet/contact.php

If you are on a budget (like I am) Those stores are great!!!!  And sales help your local habitat for humanity so for a good cause... They have used items in good shape or new items at great prices.  They may have some shelving that would fit your needs with little to no modifications. (it depends on the store)

and for mailboxes... you can allways just replace it with a nice looking one.... unique... like

http://www.outdoorexpressions.com/product60.html

ahh well i thought it was cool looks really nice in person

Seriously I have been reading on on Heavybilt mailboxes.. claim to be m80 and baseball bat resistant..
http://www.steelmailbox.com/html/heavybilt_mailboxes.htm
A link to give you an idea..

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« Reply #6 on: June 01, 2005, 02:00:37 PM »
You can make your own solid door material by laminating two sheets of 3/4 plywood. Get good-one-side and keep the good sides facing outward. Press with concrete blocks, railroad track segments, whatever over a cardboard cover to protect the wood finish. Clamp the edges. The finished edges can be glued solid veneer, say 1/4 thick. The problem could be in buying a bunch of clamps you don't need otherwise, but it's an idea.

A big store will have a special rig that can get nice square cuts on large sheets. They could precut to size before you leave the store. You can even make sure the two pieces mate well before leaving. A poor cut could result in a major sanding job.

Shelf boards for a closet can also be plywood and still look nice. I have used 1/2". Just use 1/2" screen molding on the edge that shows. Put on the trim strip with glue and small nails every few inches. Good job for a small power nailer, stapler.

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« Reply #7 on: June 24, 2005, 07:50:48 PM »
Curious how the home improvement project was working out for you.....  

And While you are at it why not install one of these

http://www.overstock.com/cgi-bin/d2.cgi?page=proframe&prod_id=1514711#

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« Reply #8 on: June 25, 2005, 12:17:23 AM »
It's actually coming along surprisingly well in most places.  I haven't had time to dive into the doorframe repair project, but I have managed to deal with the insect problem associated with it.  

A good coat of Raid inside, and a can of Orthene outside seem to have done the job.  Fortunately, the Orthene smells so unbelieveably awful that the family dog stays off that porch, so she's not getting poisoned.  I still have not conclusively identified the ants, but I can find no trace of a colony inside the house, and I haven't seen a single one of them inside or out since the second day after I massacred about half a million of them in one fell swoop.  I whistled "Ride of the Valkyrie" while I sprayed on the insecticide.  It was cool.  They had completely covered the porch, which is about 150 sq. ft.  It was a moving carpet of ants.  I iced every last one of them.  I wouldn't have cared so much about them, but one of them bit my cat between the toes.  He limped around and cried about it for a solid week (despite the fact that the tiny little bump was gone within 6 hours)  Once that happened, their entire genus made the list.

So, the other stuff...  

I have been replacing the closet shelving with the recommended 1/2" plywood.  I painted it, but I didn't do any kind of trim work on it.  Mom is somewhat less than thrilled with the plywood edge, but I can easily correct that.  She is, however, quite happy with closet shelves that I can sit on.  I built a small frame for each shelf, and secured it on three sides right into the studs.  I can, quite literally, plant my 200lb tail right in the middle of it with nary a creak.

The front door will stand up to DU rounds now.  I called every metal shop in town, and I found what I was looking for.  The fellow had a 2' steel strip that he had drilled out for me before I got to his shop.  He welded on a steel pipe about 6" long for the bolt to throw into.  A quick coat of white rustoleum made it basically invisible.  The metal cost me $8.  I also bought a bundle of 7014 rod from him, and he's on my "do business" list from now on.

I did something unorthodox in the garage.  I got a trash bag, and cleaned it out.  I found the source of my storage problem: clutter.  We have two microwaves in the garage, and one working in the kitchen.  This is illogical.  I kept the better of the two, and sent the other one off to goodwill.  I installed some tool storage, and got the shovels, rakes, and implements of destruction up off the floor for a change.  Two stainless racks, a dozen tool hooks, and four bicycle hooks cost me about $15, and got me about half the floor space of my garage back.  The old dining room doors made fine decking for the attic.  I piled up a whole bunch of "stuff" (mainly assorted housewares that we're not keen on tossing at the moment...  two full sets of good pots and pans) on top of them.  This sort of thing nearly emptied the existing shelving.  I then proceeded to tear out what was empty.  Everything is up off the floor now.  You wouldn't believe what a difference it makes.  I'm sort of leaning toward some good heavy wire shelving that stands on the floor to replace the junk in the garage, but we'll have to see where that goes.

Then on to the hall closet.  It was chock full of luggage.  A $20 6x8 cargo net in the garage solved that.  I rigged up my ingenious system which allows my rather diminutive mother to access all of it, and it is working nicely.  Hanging storage saves an unbelieveable amount of space in the house.

On to the mailbox...  Remember that 7014 rod I bought?  I had a few scraps of 3" square channel sitting around taking up valuable floor space.  It is now a custom mailbox post.  I haven't painted it yet, and I need to secure the materials necessary to set it in the ground, but it should be holding up the mailbox well into the next million years.  I voted for aluminum paint for both the post and the box.  It's weather resistant, and looks futuristic.  Mom vetoed that idea.  We're going with white rustoleum.  Mom is just no fun sometimes.  Oh well, it is her house.

That's all I have to report for now, but other stuff is coming.  And as for that toilet seat...  I got the hands on hips scowl for so much as mentioning it.  I think that one will have to wait until I have my own place.