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Historic whiskey could go down drain
« on: November 16, 2007, 03:40:23 AM »
Historic whiskey could go down drain

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Thu Nov 15, 5:57 PM ET

NASHVILLE, Tenn. - Here's a sobering thought: Hundreds of bottles of Jack Daniel's whiskey, some of it almost 100 years old, may be unceremoniously poured down a drain because authorities suspect it was being sold by someone without a license.

Officials seized 2,400 bottles late last month during warehouse raids in Nashville and Lynchburg, the southern Tennessee town where the whiskey is distilled.

"Punish the person, not the whiskey," said an outraged Kyle MacDonald, 28, a Jack Daniel's drinker from British Columbia who promotes the whiskey on his blog. "Jack never did anything wrong, and the whiskey itself is innocent."

Investigators are also looking into whether some of the bottles had been stolen from the distillery. No one has been arrested.

Authorities are still determining how much of the liquor will be disposed of, and how much can be sold at auction.

Tennessee law requires officials to destroy whiskey that cannot be sold legally in the state, such as bottles designed for sale overseas and those with broken seals.

"We'd pour it out," said Danielle Elks, executive director of the Tennessee Alcoholic Beverage Commission.

The estimated value of the liquor is $1 million, possibly driven up by the value of the antique bottles, which range from 3-liter bottles to half-pints.

One seized bottle dates to 1914, with its seal unbroken. Elks said it is worth $10,000 on the collectors market. Investigators are looking into whether the liquor was being sold for the value of the bottles rather than the whiskey.

"Someone was making a great deal of profit," she said.

Tennessee whiskeys age in charred white oak barrels, but the maturing process that gives them character mostly stops when it is bottled. A bottled whiskey can deteriorate over a long period of time, especially if it is opened or exposed to sunlight and heat.

Christopher Carlsson, a spirits connoisseur and collector in Rochester, N.Y., said old vintages of whiskey in their original containers are highly prized.

"A lot of these bottles are priceless," he said. "It's like having a rare painting. It's heavily collected."

The raids, prompted by a tip, were conducted at two warehouses and a home in Lynchburg, about 65 miles southeast of Nashville. Another raid was at a Nashville hotel room where drinks were being served and bottles were being sold.

For now, the whiskey is being stored in a Nashville vault.

Elks acknowledged that pouring out the whiskey would not be a happy hour for her.

"It'd kill me," she said.

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http://www.tennessean.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071102/NEWS01/711020403/1001

11/02/07
State agents seize $1 million worth of whiskey

Associated Press

LYNCHBURG, Tenn.  State agents are sorting through some 2,400 bottles of Jack Daniel's whiskey estimated to cost $1 million found in storage buildings.
The bottles were found after an investigation into possible illegal sales of whiskey by two businesses in this southern Middle Tennessee town where the distillery is located.
No one has been arrested.
Authorities said they received permission to search two storage buildings on Highway 55 last weekend and found hundreds of bottles of Jack Daniel's.
"There are bottles here that are not even sold in this county," said Mike Cawthorn, senior agent in charge of the Nashville office of the Tennessee Alcohol Beverage Commission.
"There are bottles of Jack Daniel's here that are to be sold only in Italy and Spain."
Officials said the rarity of the bottles helped drive up the value of the find.
Danielle Elks, executive director of the ABC, said Thursday one bottle dates back to 1914. She told WSMV-TV of Nashville it was still sealed and worth about $10,000.
"This is a major enterprise," Cawthorn told The Tullahoma News. "Every time we turn around, there's something new."
Some found in Nashville
Some of the illegal whiskey also was found in a motel in Nashville.
Moore County Sheriff Mark Logan said there was enough whiskey recovered to fill a trailer and truck that then transported it to Nashville for storage.
Authorities said they were working with officials from the Jack Daniel Distillery to determine how the whiskey was obtained.
Agents said anyone arrested could face charges of possession of untaxed whiskey.
Some of the whiskey could be auctioned, off but most of it will be destroyed.
A Web site helped tip agents off about the whiskey. The investigation is continuing.
An after-hours Associated Press call to the ABC office in Nashville was not returned Thursday night.
Lynchburg is 65 miles southeast of Nashville.
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Re: Historic whiskey could go down drain
« Reply #1 on: November 16, 2007, 04:25:08 AM »
And selling it and using the proceeds for something is never a possibility, of course?



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Re: Historic whiskey could go down drain
« Reply #2 on: November 16, 2007, 05:33:49 AM »
If they dump that whiskey they are too stupid to be allowed to work as public servants for even one more second.  Is the state of Tennessee so prosperous that they can just pour a million dollars down the drain? Stupid stupid stupid stupid stupid!
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« Reply #3 on: November 16, 2007, 05:52:11 AM »
I just read the article again.  Ohio law is teh same.  If a seized container is still sealed, the bottle and contents may be sold at public auction.  If the seal has been broken, the contents must be destroyed.  Why?  Pure safety.  Do you want to take a chance selling a bottle of anything, not knowing whether the contents have been tampered with in some way?  Let's just hope they sell the ones that are still sealed.

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Re: Historic whiskey could go down drain
« Reply #4 on: November 16, 2007, 05:56:49 AM »
Dunno if it's changed since I lived nearby, but Lynchburg is a dry town.  Kind of funny considering JD is located there. Smiley

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Re: Historic whiskey could go down drain
« Reply #5 on: November 16, 2007, 07:13:48 AM »
So how much in taxes would it save the people of the state if they sell it?
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Re: Historic whiskey could go down drain
« Reply #6 on: November 16, 2007, 08:34:09 AM »
So how much in taxes would it save the people of the state if they sell it?

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Re: Historic whiskey could go down drain
« Reply #7 on: November 16, 2007, 10:46:16 AM »
Somebody needs a serious bitch-slapping. 
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Re: Historic whiskey could go down drain
« Reply #8 on: November 16, 2007, 10:59:09 AM »
Whiskey Rebellion, anyone..?

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Re: Historic whiskey could go down drain
« Reply #9 on: November 16, 2007, 01:58:46 PM »
Does anyone really believe that the government agency that now "owns" that whiskey isn't going to try to squeeze every last dime out of it?

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Re: Historic whiskey could go down drain
« Reply #10 on: November 16, 2007, 07:20:03 PM »
I have not had a drink in over 12 years and am clean/sober.

It would be A HUGE SIN to throw away 100 year old whiskey.

I had 70 year old whiskey one time, it was superlative, it tasted sublime and gave me the best
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Re: Historic whiskey could go down drain
« Reply #11 on: November 16, 2007, 08:01:22 PM »
Thank the gods that government is protecting us.

Who knows, someone may have purchased and drank that stuff and then society would collapse.

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Re: Historic whiskey could go down drain
« Reply #12 on: November 17, 2007, 07:17:30 AM »
"Does anyone really believe that the government agency that now "owns" that whiskey isn't going to try to squeeze every last dime out of it?"

They'll destroy it and break the bottles in a heartbeat.

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« Reply #13 on: November 17, 2007, 07:48:27 AM »
"Does anyone really believe that the government agency that now "owns" that whiskey isn't going to try to squeeze every last dime out of it?"

They'll destroy it and break the bottles in a heartbeat.

Yes. They've destroyed mint, unfired WWI BARs they've found in old warehouses.

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Re: Historic whiskey could go down drain
« Reply #14 on: November 17, 2007, 10:41:24 AM »
And they'll spend millions of dollars to collect $200 in tax...

What they oughta do is build a giant sink, and pass the bottles through the drain, to the auctioneer. Have fun with it, and donate ALL the proceeds to a charity...

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Re: Historic whiskey could go down drain
« Reply #15 on: November 18, 2007, 05:57:55 AM »
That's a shame.   But hey, we're all safer cause they are taking this unlicensed assault booze off the streets!

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« Reply #16 on: November 18, 2007, 11:21:41 AM »
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They've destroyed mint, unfired WWI BARs they've found in old warehouses.
Excuse me! 
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