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99.7% certainty of 6.7 quake in CA in next 30 years
« on: April 15, 2008, 04:58:51 AM »
That'll be interesting. Think they'll still shoot looters like 1906, or let them have at it? Plus, unlike then, people no longer have a pantry of staples to survive on. No sack of rice, barrel of crackers and woodburning stove, just an empty fridge and a bottle of chardonnay. Lots of "food comes from a restaurant" people in cities there. They're gonna have a rude awakening.

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Calamitous quake in California now near certain
A 6.7 TEMBLOR PREDICTED TO HIT WITHIN 30 YEARS, STUDY SAYS
By Julie Sevrens Lyons
Mercury News
Article Launched: 04/15/2008 01:32:00 AM PDT

 While death and taxes are said to be life's only certainties, on Monday California scientists added another calamity to that list: earthquakes.

There is a 99.7 percent chance that a major temblor will strike the Golden State in the next 30 years, according to the first comprehensive study of the state's earthquake risks.

"The sobering thing to me is we've never seen anything like a 99 percent probability before," said Tom Parsons, a seismologist with the U.S. Geological Survey in Menlo Park. "That's not a number we throw around a lot."

Surprisingly, Monday's study also found the odds of a magnitude 6.7 quake are nearly identical for Northern and Southern California. Researchers had long assumed that the southern half of the state was at significantly higher risk.

A magnitude 6.7 quake is capable of killing scores of people and causing billions of dollars in damages to homes and businesses. California has had more than a half dozen of them in the past 30 years.

The 1994 Northridge earthquake was a magnitude 6.7 and it killed more than 50 people, injured more than 7,000 and left 20,000 people homeless in Southern California. The 1989 Loma Prieta earthquake, which felled a portion of the San Francisco Bay Bridge and delayed the World Series, was not much larger - a magnitude 6.9. It resulted in 63 fatalities and $6 billion in damages.

Scientists have known for some time that a "Big One" is likely to occur here.

 Five years ago, seismologists estimated the Bay Area had a 62 percent chance of experiencing a catastrophic earthquake within three decades. But Monday's report, which was drafted by a multidisciplinary group of scientists and engineers, is the first to compare earthquake probability for Northern and Southern California.

To make their predictions, researchers combined information from several fields of earthquake science in a mathematical model.

They considered how fast points of California are moving in response to the steady motion of the Pacific and North American tectonic plates. They analyzed data gleaned from trenches dug into the faults, considering how frequently earthquakes have occurred since prehistoric times.

In the end, they determined Northern California's probability of a sizable tremor in the next 30 years is 93 percent, while Southern California's is estimated at 97 percent. The Bay Area and Los Angeles, they found, have nearly identical odds of having a massive quake - about two in three.

"We often think about Los Angeles being at higher probability, but this is saying, no, the probability is about the same," said Tom Brocher, coordinator of the USGS' Northern California earthquake hazards investigations.

Greatest threat

In the Bay Area, the greatest threat is posed by the Hayward-Rodgers Creek fault, which rests beneath the densely populated East Bay. Recent data shows the Hayward fault goes off about every 140 years - and it has been 139 years since it last did. Taking that into consideration, the scientists increased their estimate of the probability that that tectonic time bomb will go off, from 27 percent to 31 percent. A major quake on the Hayward fault would likely cause damage from San Jose to Santa Rosa, they said.

"I have earthquake insurance - I'm concerned," said David Schwartz, an earthquake geologist with the USGS.

California's many earthquake faults are among the most active in the United States. Scientists have been urging the public for years to get prepared, stash emergency supplies of food and water and have a family plan for after an earthquake.

Monday's report, they said, underscores that it is not a matter of if - but when - a devastating quake will hurt the state. And they hope the public has not grown deaf to their message.

"This is another reminder," Brocher said, "we live in earthquake country."

http://www.mercurynews.com/lifeandstyleheadlines/ci_8929195

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Re: 99% certainty of 6.7 quake in CA in next 30 years
« Reply #1 on: April 15, 2008, 05:09:55 AM »
7/5ths of all people don't understand fractions.

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Re: 99% certainty of 6.7 quake in CA in next 30 years
« Reply #2 on: April 15, 2008, 05:13:32 AM »
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There is a 99.7 percent chance that a major temblor hurricane will strike the Golden State East Coast of the U.S. in the next 30 years,

A magnitude 6.7 quake major hurricane is capable of killing scores of people and causing billions of dollars in damages to homes and businesses. California The eastern seaboard has had more than a half dozen of them in the past 30 years.


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Re: 99.7% certainty of 6.7 quake in CA in next 30 years
« Reply #3 on: April 15, 2008, 05:20:22 AM »
A hurricane is something you can see coming for days ahead, and either board up the windows and ride it out, or get out of the way.

An earthquake gives you, at the most, 30 seconds from the propagation of the first, faster P waves before the shock, if there's an alert system. After that, houses crumble and building facades fall on you, water and gas mains open up.

Also, it's not so much the disaster itself, as to the effect it'd have on cities like San Francisco or LA in the aftermath. I suspect it'd not be pretty.

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Re: 99.7% certainty of 6.7 quake in CA in next 30 years
« Reply #4 on: April 15, 2008, 05:27:48 AM »
And that would be a bad thing how?
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Re: 99.7% certainty of 6.7 quake in CA in next 30 years
« Reply #5 on: April 15, 2008, 05:33:18 AM »
A buddy of mine growing up lost his older brother in the '89 one.
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Re: 99.7% certainty of 6.7 quake in CA in next 30 years
« Reply #6 on: April 15, 2008, 05:35:23 AM »
In other news:

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Re: 99.7% certainty of 6.7 quake in CA in next 30 years
« Reply #7 on: April 15, 2008, 06:27:13 AM »
I go to APS to get my sensationalism these days, too.  rolleyes
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Re: 99.7% certainty of 6.7 quake in CA in next 30 years
« Reply #8 on: April 15, 2008, 07:41:25 AM »
I also understand there is a 100% certainty of a tornado somewhere in Texas during the next 90 days.

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Re: 99.7% certainty of 6.7 quake in CA in next 30 years
« Reply #9 on: April 15, 2008, 09:49:49 PM »
The '89 quake was intense. What I found amazing was when the Cypress freeway structure in Oakland collapsed, the homeless and addicts who lived under it were the first to climb up and help trapped people.




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Re: 99.7% certainty of 6.7 quake in CA in next 30 years
« Reply #10 on: April 15, 2008, 09:53:25 PM »
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That'll be interesting. Think they'll still shoot looters like 1906, or let them have at it? Plus, unlike then, people no longer have a pantry of staples to survive on. No sack of rice, barrel of crackers and woodburning stove, just an empty fridge and a bottle of chardonnay. Lots of "food comes from a restaurant" people in cities there. They're gonna have a rude awakening.

My family will shoot looters, and we do have a stocked pantry.  With rice even. 

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Re: 99.7% certainty of 6.7 quake in CA in next 30 years
« Reply #11 on: April 15, 2008, 10:09:42 PM »
The cities may become hell and the suburbs targets, but I suspect the country-folk will be ok.  cool
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Re: 99.7% certainty of 6.7 quake in CA in next 30 years
« Reply #12 on: April 16, 2008, 06:18:10 AM »
I was in Pasadena in 94.  Where I was, the quake was bad, but not all that bad.  We had a little damage to our house, and a nearby parking structure was taken out of commission for a few months.  I know there was some pretty bad stuff closer to the epicenter, but all in all I don't think we're talking about the end of civilization in Southern California if they get another 6.7ish quake.

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Re: 99.7% certainty of 6.7 quake in CA in next 30 years
« Reply #13 on: April 16, 2008, 07:28:11 PM »
Imagine what would happen to the country though.

Imagine, San Fransisco, and LA completely gone. Might see Republican senators from California.

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Re: 99.7% certainty of 6.7 quake in CA in next 30 years
« Reply #14 on: April 16, 2008, 07:51:00 PM »
The cities may become hell and the suburbs targets, but I suspect the country-folk will be ok.  cool


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Re: 99.7% certainty of 6.7 quake in CA in next 30 years
« Reply #15 on: April 16, 2008, 07:55:01 PM »
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Imagine, San Fransisco, and LA completely gone.

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Re: 99.7% certainty of 6.7 quake in CA in next 30 years
« Reply #16 on: April 17, 2008, 08:46:24 AM »
Imagine what would happen to the country though.

Imagine, San Fransisco, and LA completely gone. Might see Republican senators from California.

Nevermind that the economic consequences would devastate this country for years to come, as long as a Republican gets elected, right?  That has to be in the top 10 of "Inane Statements Made on APS"

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Re: 99.7% certainty of 6.7 quake in CA in next 30 years
« Reply #17 on: April 17, 2008, 08:47:38 AM »
Imagine what would happen to the country though.

Imagine, San Fransisco, and LA completely gone. Might see Republican senators from California.

Nevermind that the economic consequences would devastate this country for years to come, as long as a Republican gets elected, right?  That has to be in the top 10 of "Inane Statements Made on APS"
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Re: 99.7% certainty of 6.7 quake in CA in next 30 years
« Reply #18 on: April 20, 2008, 05:47:15 AM »
Imagine what would happen to the country though.

Imagine, San Fransisco, and LA completely gone. Might see Republican senators from California.

Nevermind that the economic consequences would devastate this country for years to come, as long as a Republican gets elected, right?  That has to be in the top 10 of "Inane Statements Made on APS"

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Re: 99.7% certainty of 6.7 quake in CA in next 30 years
« Reply #19 on: April 20, 2008, 07:23:33 AM »
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Might see Republican senators from California.

I think a 6.7 quake would be strong enough to ... tip the balance.   laugh

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Re: 99.7% certainty of 6.7 quake in CA in next 30 years
« Reply #20 on: April 20, 2008, 07:39:15 AM »
I think my ex-wife moved back there, too - on that side of the fault line.   grin
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Re: 99.7% certainty of 6.7 quake in CA in next 30 years
« Reply #21 on: April 21, 2008, 03:35:34 AM »
Imagine what would happen to the country though.

Imagine, San Fransisco, and LA completely gone. Might see Republican senators from California.

Brilliant.  Cross your fingers for the deaths of thousands of people in hopes of a shift in political power?  Doesn't exactly fit into "polite".
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Re: 99.7% certainty of 6.7 quake in CA in next 30 years
« Reply #22 on: April 21, 2008, 04:24:56 AM »
Jamis, your sarcasm detector appears to be a little off today.........  Smiley


I really doubt any of us would want thousands of people dead just to effect a change in politics in the state of California. 

However, since an earthquake is something we can do a darn thing about, the fact that we can poke a little humor into what would otherwise be an unmitigated disaster is about all we can do....
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