Author Topic: Challenging the Red Light Camera: Dallas is denying defendants the right to appe  (Read 1743 times)

kindrox

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Around a month ago, I received a red light ticket in the mail, you know from the automated cameras.  The car pictured was similar to a car I used to own, but the license plate was one for a car I have never owned or operated.

The back of the ticket had check boxes for challenging the ticket but all the options revolved around my knowing the person who actually owned the car or was actually driving the car.  No option was there for actually being not guilty and not involved.

So I wrote a letter pleading not guilty and asking for a hearing.  Last week I got a letter in response, listing the OUTCOME of my hearing, in which I was found guilty!  It did list the appeals process I could APPLY for, and which involved paying the fine and a deposit before applying for the appeal.

So today I called and gave the lady who answered a piece of my mind.  She did indeed have my examiner (who found me guilty according to the paper work) call me back.  She said that since my letter did not explicitly demand that I actually be present for the hearing, for my convenience they held it without me.

Over the phone I merely described the evidence of my innocence I would have provided had I been given an opportunity, and after 30 minutes she called me back stating the case would be dropped.

So what it comes down to is this.  If you get a ticket in the mail for running a red light, unless you can point the finger at someone else, they are going to make it hard as hell to challenge the ticket.  I have half a mind to drive down to her office and speak to the highest honcho I can.

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She said that since my letter did not explicitly demand that I actually be present for the hearing, for my convenience they held it without me.
How's that for due process, at a hearing YOU requested no less rolleyes
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It's Dallas man, what do you expect?

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so to recap you were able to beat a wrongful ticket without losing a days pay or having to appear and it upsets you  rolleyes 
It is much more powerful to seek Truth for one's self.  Seeing and hearing that others seem to have found it can be a motivation.  With me, I was drawn because of much error and bad judgment on my part. Confronting one's own errors and bad judgment is a very life altering situation.  Confronting the errors and bad judgment of others is usually hypocrisy.


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So, what would happen if you didn't pay the ticket?  Red-light cameras are not run by law enforcement, and the fines are civil, not criminal....
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I though you guys in Texas were shooters. Fix the camera problem.
Hey even in england with no guns they still torch them all.
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I though you guys in Texas were shooters. Fix the camera problem.
Hey even in england with no guns they still torch them all.
http://www.speedcam.co.uk/index2.htm

Actually, there WAS an incident where a traffic camera was shot out. Problem is, the guy used a deer rifle in an urban area.

IDIOT!!

Those bullets have got to come down somewhere, and when you're only shooting at, what, maybe a 45 degree angle, they'll come down with deadly force.

IN AN URBAN AREA!

(Personally, I kinda like the idea of a paintball gun filled with opaque epoxy paint balls . . . )
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Wasn't it England where they were stealing lic. plates from cop cars, putting them on thier own cars, and running red lights, repeatedly?
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Over the phone I merely described the evidence of my innocence I would have provided had I been given an opportunity, and after 30 minutes she called me back stating the case would be dropped.

Excellent outcome.  Just make sure to get the release IN WRITING.  I'd call and ask specifically when you can expect a written statement to that effect.

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kindrox

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I had her by the nads and she knew it.  In the end it turned out the state registered two license plates to the same VIN #. 

I told her my old license plate #, which she verified went back to the same VIN # the state said the other car with a different license plate #.  Not much the city of dallas could do then but fold.

Other situations might have required me to testify under oath, and dang it due process rights are due process rights.  If the city can ignore my due process rights for a red light, it won't be long before they move to more important matters, using past behaviour as "precident".

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I have half a mind to drive down to her office and speak to the highest honcho I can.

Yeah. Right. His salary is generated by red light tickets.
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