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« on: August 24, 2005, 06:03:53 AM »
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/08/02/AR2005080201703.html

Looking for your thoughts on this.  Me, I could care less.  He is doing the same work in Crawford that he does in Washington so why are they bitching and moaning about it so much?  Every time the guy leaves Washington, the Bush-bashers start in on it again.  How much time did Clinton, Reagan, and Carter spend away on 'vacation'?

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« Reply #1 on: August 24, 2005, 07:34:06 AM »
I don't think when he's at Crawford it's so much "vacation" as it is telecommuting. I won't compare myself to the Prez, but I know that when I telecommute, if I'm working on a report or data QA/QC or something similar that requires uninterrupted concentration, I can get something done in a couple of hours that would normally take me a full day to finish were I in the office.

I've never had a problem with any President taking vacation regardless of if I liked them or not, because I don't recall any of them (the present one included) making it through an entire "vacation" without seeing them on the news in a press conference, meeting, etc.
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« Reply #2 on: August 24, 2005, 08:18:56 AM »
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« Reply #3 on: August 24, 2005, 09:24:20 AM »
More blueneck BS.  Instead of offering alternative solutions to the worlds problems, they just run down W.

I see this all the time.  You can start to debate an anti, and as soon as he realizes you have an argument supported by reason and he doesnt, he reverts to screaming insults.  Ive read of conservatives appearing at colleges to give a speech, and the lefties shout him down so he cant be heard; they never do attempt to debate.

Ive also seen this recently at THR and TFL.  Some newcomers appear to have the proper credentials:  they say the right things over on the pistol or rifle forums, but when they argue in the political section all they do is dish out insults.  Makes me wonder if theyre sleeper trolls trying to establish some longevity and post counts before 2006 and 2008.



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« Reply #4 on: August 24, 2005, 09:38:46 AM »
The less work any politicians get done, the better it is for us.  Less laws, less BS, less posturing.....
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« Reply #5 on: August 24, 2005, 10:11:46 AM »
Had this discussion at work the other day wtih someone.

Yep, for a "vacation" he's sure busy with the affairs of state.

Unfortunately, that means absolutely nothing to the moron with whom I was talking.
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« Reply #6 on: August 24, 2005, 11:38:00 AM »
Doesn't the entire Congress take as much if not more time off?  It would be better for all of us if they all took more vacation, say about 50 weeks a year vacation.

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« Reply #7 on: August 24, 2005, 12:18:30 PM »
It would probably save a bunch money to just mothball the White House and let him work from Crawford year round.  With all of the modern telecommunication options, congresspersons could work from their home districts full time as well.
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« Reply #8 on: August 24, 2005, 01:23:10 PM »
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It would probably save a bunch money to just mothball the White House and let him work from Crawford year round.  With all of the modern telecommunication options, congresspersons could work from their home districts full time as well.
True, but it would things so much harder for the lobbyists.  Better they can all be bribed in that one place.
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« Reply #9 on: August 24, 2005, 04:36:45 PM »
Seems like I've heard he actively works that ranch as well as getting all his office work done, too.  

I've cleared brush, worked cattle, pitched hay and fixed fences during a Texas summer before, too. Some days being President, even today, looks like a better deal than ranch hand.  Actively working on a ranch ain't no photo-op. I sure never thought of it as one, and I don't think he does, either.


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« Reply #10 on: August 25, 2005, 05:05:22 PM »
Same old snivelling and whining. Same old sore losers. Ho, hum.
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« Reply #11 on: August 26, 2005, 04:38:03 AM »
Judging from the physical appearance of men who have been president for awhile,  a month off every couple months or so is necessary.  The job follows them, even there.

They are all ambitious men who sought the office, but the weight of it is a burden not many could shoulder imho.  Easy to snipe from the sidelines, or from postitions that shelter one from accountability, such as the legislature etc.
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« Reply #12 on: August 26, 2005, 03:55:11 PM »
What about the Clinton's?
 
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Government Auditor Finds Just 3 Recent Clinton Trips Cost $72 Million

Clinton's Foreign Travel:
Excessive or Abusive??

The President's foreign travel is well reported, but its costs are largely unavailable. Because this president has set records as the most traveled president in American history, three U.S. Senators requested the government's official auditor to examine some of the recent travel expenses he has incurred. Senate Republican Policy Committee Chairman Larry Craig, and Senators Jeff Sessions and Craig Thomas last year requested the General Accounting Office (GAO) to examine the costs of just three recent foreign trips taken by President Clinton in 1998 -- his travel to Chile, China, and to six countries in Africa. The results of this study, released today by GAO, suggest that Clinton's travel has gone past the level of excessive to that of abusive.

Just those three trips cost the American taxpayer at least $72 million -- with the Africa trip alone accounting for $42.8 million. Not only did they seriously affect the taxpayer's wallet, these three trips seriously affected America's defense. Fully 84 percent of the $72-million price tag came from the DOD budget. For example, the cost per hour to fly Air Force One, the president's personal plane, is $34,400. Of course, the $72-million price tag paid for a lot more than just flying President Clinton. It also paid for 297 military missions largely for the ferrying back and forth of some 2,400 people and necessary equipment working -- sometimes months in advance -- to assure smooth travel for the President. The trip to Africa alone involved 10 advance trips by military planes and the travel of 904 DOD personnel -- the equivalent of a U.S. Army battalion. [Note that GAO generally defines a "mission" as including either a round-trip flight between the home base and the foreign destination, or travel that includes multiple flight segments, such as from points A to B to C and back to A.]

As costly as the tab for these three presidential trips is, it does not measure the full cost to the taxpayer. GAO did not tabulate the additional costs of President Clinton's security out-of-country -- these were not requested for security purposes. Neither were the agency planning expenses included. Nor did GAO add in the cost of paying the military and other personnel who accompanied or prepared the way for President Clinton (despite the economic fact that these personnel would have been doing some other job if not on travel). Rather, only the additional, or "incremental," cost that the President's travel entailed is represented by the GAO figures. It is, then, by any description a conservative estimate.

At the same time that President Clinton was using the Pentagon as his personal travel agent, he was also cutting back its budget. Every year he has been in office, President Clinton has cut the military budget. Simultaneously, he has broadened the military's role beyond the traditional one of defending America to peacekeeping and "nation building."

It is not an exaggeration to say that President Clinton's travel has been excessive: he already holds countless records for presidential foreign travel -- Most Countries Visited (59), Total Foreign Travel Days (186), and Most Days of Foreign Travel Per Year (27.6). A synopsis of GAO's report follows.

Africa: March 22 through April 2, 1998

President Clinton visited Ghana, Uganda, Rwanda, South Africa, Botswana, and Senegal. Ten separate advance trips were required over a three-month interval and 1,300 individuals traveled either with or in support of President Clinton. According to GAO, "the purpose of the trip was to (1) help reshape the way Americans think about Africa; (2) show U.S. support for emerging democracies; (3) promote U.S. investment, trade, and economic growth in Africa; (4) promote education; and (5) promote conflict resolution and human rights."

While "promote U.S. investment, trade, and economic growth in Africa" and "promote education" were stated goals of the trip, not one official from the Department of Education and just three people from the Department of Commerce traveled to Africa. Those who did make the trip included 205 members of the Executive Office of the President.

DOD spent about $37.7 million in support of the trip. DOD flew 98 airlift missions and 110 aerial refueling missions, transported 13 Army and Marine Corps helicopters, established at least four separate maintenance support teams, and established temporary medical evacuation units in five countries. DOD sent 904 of the 1,302 people who traveled to Africa and paid 88 percent of the trip's $42.8 million cost.
Chile: April 16 through April 20, 1998

President Clinton visited Chile (according to GAO) "to attend the second Summit of the Americas and hold bilateral meetings with the President of Chile . . . . Agenda items at the summit included a discussion of the establishment of a Free Trade Area of the Americas, the promotion of democracy, and the eradication of poverty in the Americas."

While "the eradication of poverty in the Americas" was a major objective of the trip, just one person from (Agency for International Development) A.I.D. traveled to Chile. At the same time, 109 members of the Executive Office of the President made the trip.

"Five advance teams of State, White House, Secret Service, and/or DOD officials made five trips from November 1997 through April 1998 to prepare for the President's arrival."

DOD sent 193 of the 592 people who traveled to Chile and paid $8.8 million of the trip's $10.5 million cost -- 84 percent. DOD's expenses included 24 airlift missions and nine aerial refueling missions.
China: June 25 through July 3, 1998

The GAO reports that President Clinton visited China "to conduct bilateral talks with the President of China and for other purposes. . . .Issues discussed were security, nonproliferation of weapons of mass destruction, economics and trade, energy and environment, science and technology, and law enforcement."

While "economics and trade" and "energy and environment" were agenda items, just two people from the Department of Energy and just nine from the Department of Commerce traveled to China -- along with 186 members of the Executive Office of the President.

Even more interesting is that while "law enforcement" was also an agenda item, not a single individual from the Department of Justice accompanied the President. In contrast, when law enforcement was on the Chile agenda, the Attorney General herself and 13 other individuals from the Department of Justice traveled there.

"Eight separate teams from the State Department, White House, Secret Service, and/or DOD made advance trips to Beijing, Xi'an, Shanghai, Guilin, and Hong Kong from April 1998 through June 1998." DOD sent 123 of the 510 people who traveled to China and paid 74 percent ($14 million) of the trip's $18.8 million cost. DOD's expenses included 36 airlift missions and 7 aerial refueling missions.
More Trips: "Never found a place in the world he wouldn't want to go."

And more to come: According to the Associated Press (Terence Hunt; 9/7/99), President Clinton will make his fifth presidential trip to Canada on October 8, and "a four-nation swing just before Thanksgiving to Turkey, Greece, Bulgaria, and Italy."

Next year will be just as scenic for the President. "The hottest speculation is that he will visit Vietnam, a place he struggled to avoid when he was draft-age," reports Hunt. China is also a possibility, as "aides note that the president told the Chinese women's soccer team he would like to go to China again." The President has visited (by RPC's count) 59 different countries and territories (many of them more than once), but new to his "Places I've Visited" list mentioned as possibilities by the Associated Press would be India, Pakistan, Brunei, Kosovo and Antarctica, as well as Vietnam, Turkey, Greece and Bulgaria. To date the President's record of 186 foreign travel days is more than double that of any other U.S. president. [RPC has available a set of charts detailing Clinton's travel: see RPC's "Excessive Clinton Travel Tab = Taxpayer Abuse," 9/21/99. Note that we compare days and countries traveled to among other presidents, but GAO is unable to prepare a cost estimate of travel of previous administrations for comparison purposes.]


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« Reply #13 on: August 27, 2005, 11:15:36 AM »
well Clinton did at least leave us with more money than he took on the whole, but reality= Bush has taken more vacation time than any other president by far, his father being second.
i do agree the above looks way out of hand, i would freak out about it, but again- the econmy didnt suffer, and where is the damage??

Vacation time in the summer, of course, and yeah even dubya works a little from out there on the ranch, its not that shocking, prez derserves some time off for sure.

WHAT was disturbing= well, maybe you all believe there was no preventing 9-11, our intel was that far behind, Bush had no oppurtunity to put more men on terrorism, was shown no documents, etc, and chose to spend
almsot all of his first months on vacation, nothing to worry about.

i dont buy it. he laughed it off, pretended nothing, no one could attack the US, and look where we are. works well for him and buddies anyway, more excuses to tighten the grip.

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According to an August 2003 article in the Washington Post, President Bush has spent all or part of 166 days during his presidency at his Crawford, Texas, ranch or en route. Add the time spent at or en route to the presidential retreat of Camp David and at the Bush family estate in Kennebunkport, Maine, and Bush has taken 250 days off as of August 2003. That's 27% of his presidency spent on vacation. Although to be fair, much of this time is classified as a "working vacation."

Bush isn't the first president to get away from his work. George Bush Sr. took all or part of 543 vacation days at Camp David and in Kennebunkport. Ronald Reagan spent 335 days at or en route to his Santa Barbara, California, ranch during his eight years in office. Of recent presidents, Jimmy Carter took the least days off -- only 79 days, which he usually spent at his home in Georgia. That's less than three weeks a year, which is closer to the average American's paid time off of 13 days per year.

What about Clinton? As of December 1999, President Bill Clinton had spent only 152 days on holiday during his two terms, according to CBS News. A former staffer noted Clinton was such a workaholic that "it almost killed Clinton to take one-week vacations during August." In 2, Clinton cut his summer vacation short to just three days, so he and his wife could concentrate on her Senate race and fundraising for Democrats. While we couldn't find the exact tally for Clinton's last year in office, it's reasonable to expect he didn't increase his vacation rate. And in barely three years in office, George W. Bush has already taken more vacation than Clinton did in seven years.
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« Reply #14 on: August 27, 2005, 01:16:56 PM »
"The report, entitled the "Sociology and Psychology of Terrorism: Who Becomes a Terrorist and Why?," described the suicide hijacking as one of several possible retribution attacks Al Qaeda might seek for the 1998 U.S. airstrike against bin Laden's camps in Afghanistan. It was not immediately known what action, if any, had been taken by the Clinton administration in response to the report."  (I think they did bomb an aspirin factory.)

Clinton knew of Al Qaeda before Bush became President.  Why didn't he do something?  Oh I know why, he was busy with parties and the night life.

This has been going on since the 1980s so all the Presidents knew there was trouble.  They just didn't know they were training pilots to take over jet planes.  I'm sure any President would try to stop that from happening.  What President would want that to happen during his time in office?

As far as vacation time goes.  How much vacation time should a president have?  When I retired I had earned six weeks a year vacation time.  I sure wasn't the president of the company.


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« Reply #15 on: August 27, 2005, 04:15:39 PM »
>>> Oh I know why, he was busy with parties and the night life.<<<<<

actually he was busy defending himself for - OMgosh! marital infidelity!

what's funny is everyone else is to blame for sure, but dubya, noting he could have done.
absolutely NO reason to fault him, even if he did opt for vaction time rather than REad "osama determined to attack"

anything dubya could've done, Clinton should have already done , right?

 amazing, you even show that Clinton did at least do something to try and go after bin laden>>
described the suicide hijacking as one of several possible retribution attacks Al Qaeda might seek for the 1998 U.S. airstrike against bin Laden's camps in Afghanistan. It was not immediately known what action, if any, had been taken by the Clinton administration in response to the report."  (I think they did bomb an aspirin factory<<<

which is still more than the NOTHING bush did

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« Reply #16 on: August 27, 2005, 08:02:18 PM »
How do you know that the Bush administration did nothing in the months leading up to 9-11?

How do you know the sum total of all operations that were going on during the last year of the Clinton presidency, and the first 8 months of the Bush presidency?

Oh, I know...

Bush wasn't up in front of the cameras with his thumb on the button like Clinton was blasting holes in empty installations and churning up sand in the deserted desert.

Yep, that was REALLY doing something on Clinton's part.

You know, if it wasn't so damned pathetic and chicken littleish, this "BUSH DIDN'T DO ANYTHING SO HE'S TO BLAME FOR EVERYTHING!" mien that's been adopted by so many of your kind would actually be humorous.

What really baffles me is why all of you jackstraps haven't dropped dead from fatal strokes related to high blood pressure.

We've got one of you people in my office, and I can always tell when he's been screeding about Bush (which  these days is most of the time). His eyes are bugging out, he has a silvery thread of spittle leaking from his mouth, you could light a cigarette on his face, and there's one vein in his head that's about as thick as a chunk of 440 volt electrical cable.

Like most others of his kind, he's ever so much fun to play with.

Even those in the office who don't like Bush, but who haven't tipped over that psychological edge of infuriated temprementalism, roll their eyes at him any more.
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« Reply #17 on: August 28, 2005, 09:54:22 AM »
>>>How do you know that the Bush administration did nothing in the months leading up to 9-11?
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so far all we have is evidence bush ignored anything presented to him. plenty of documents he didnt think were important. so if he actually did all kinds of stuff, what was it??
show me anything he did. ANYTHING against terrorism before 9-11.

if im wrong, i can accept that. but so far i see a lot of praise bush/ hate clinton, with no real reason to beliece you guys

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« Reply #18 on: August 29, 2005, 09:59:01 AM »
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 Clinton got rid of most of the CIA and pared down the Military.  That's why he got so confused about the Taliban and the radical Muslims.  

Bush was only in office for nine months and was trying to replenish the Military and get more CIA people trained.  Clinton saved us money but he also left us in "Able Danger."

As far as being unfaithful goes.  This is the sign of a feeble character and he must not care who he hurts including his wife and child.  What was he thinking?  Putting his family through such a disgusting display of selfishness?  Couldn't he have been faithful for at least 8 years?
I know, I know Hillary didn't care and still loved Bill.  But, what kind of an example does it set for his daughter?


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« Reply #19 on: August 29, 2005, 06:52:43 PM »
GW owns a ranch. The Clintons didn't own any property until they bought that house in NY.

When Clinton went to Camp David, it sounded downright official, right? As though he was being quarantined at some military base.

GW goes off to his own ranch and the media acts like he's goofing off.

Both took, and GW has taken, working vacations.

It's spin. Just more spin.

What scared me more was every trip that Clinton took to whatever state, because every trip hit me in the pocketbook. Remember that trip to shore up the California vote in 1996? When he vowed to hook up every school in CA to the internet? I see it as a line item on my phone bill.

And GW's given me some angry moments as well.

I liked Tamara's solution, one she proposed years back: They should have stopped writing the Constitution right after the words, " Congress shall make no law..."

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« Reply #20 on: August 30, 2005, 02:23:30 AM »
It is a known fact that every President has to keep up with current affairs when on vacation.  No matter where they are they have to be briefed and take care of any thing that happens.  That means working every day even during vacation time.  No matter where they are they have the "nuclear football" at ALL times.  Remember when Clinton forgot the military man who had the football?  He didn't even miss him untill he turned up at the White House on his own.  Here is a review from Air Force Lieutenant Colonet Robert "Buzz" Patterson about President Clinton's term in office.

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Air Force Lieutenant Colonel Robert "Buzz" Patterson, author of Dereliction of Duty, was a military aide to President Clinton from May 1996 to May 1998 and one of five individuals entrusted with carrying the "nuclear football"--the bag containing the codes for launching nuclear weapons. This responsibility meant that he spent a considerable amount of time next to the president, giving him a unique perspective on the Clinton administration. Though he arrived at the job "filled with professional devotion and commitment to serve", he left believing that Clinton had "sown a whirlwind of destruction upon the integrity of our government, endangered our national security, and done enormous harm to the American military in which I served."

Dereliction of Duty is not a personal attack on President Clinton or a commentary on his various scandals; rather, it is a "frank indictment of his obvious--to an eyewitness--failure to lead our country with responsibility and honor." Lt Col Patterson offers a damning list of anecdotes and charges against the President, including how Clinton lost the nuclear codes and shrugged it off; how he stalled and lost the opportunity to launch a direct strike on Osama bin Laden at a confirmed location; how the President and the First Lady, and much of their staff, consistently treated members of the military with disrespect and disdain; and how Clinton groped a female Air Force enlisted member while aboard Air Force One, among other incidents large and small. A considerable portion of this slim book is devoted to the myriad ways in which President Clinton undermined the military, and hence the security, of the nation. He seriously questions Clinton's decisions to send troops to Somalia, Rwanda, Haiti and Bosnia to accomplish non-military tasks without clear objectives. Having participated in each of these engagements, Lt Col Patterson personally "experienced the frustration of needlessly wasted lives, effort and national prestige" as well as the alarmingly low morale that Clinton inspired.

This is certainly not the first anti-Clinton book, but it is different in that Patterson does not seem to have a political axe to grind. In fact, at times, he appears apologetic about having to write about his ex-commander in chief. Yet, in the end, this retired soldier felt his last act of service should be to share his experience with his country. --Shawn Carkonen, Amazon.com --This text refers to the Hardcover edition.

Synopsis
A retired Air Force colonel shares his personal insights into the foreign affairs failures of the Clinton administration, from his inattention to basic presidential duties to his scorn for men in uniform.



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« Reply #21 on: August 30, 2005, 04:27:07 AM »
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