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USAF And Army Make A Deal (long)
« on: November 01, 2008, 01:01:36 AM »
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 The US Air Force and Army have agreed to amend the half century
 understanding (the 'Treaty of Key West') that restricted what kind of
 aircraft the army could use. The 1950s agreement ended nearly a decade
 of bickering about how much control over US military aircraft the newly
 created (in 1947) air force should have. Early on, the air force sought
 to control, well, everything. The navy and marines fought the air force
 to a draw, but the army came off less well. The army was allowed to have
 all the new (and untried) helicopters it could get its hands on, but was
 restricted to only a few fixed wing aircraft, and none of them could be
 large or armed. The army was not happy with this, but the Key West deal,
 forced on them by president (and former army general) Eisenhower, at
 least ended the constant feuding and uncertainty.
 
 But the new deal allows the army can have fixed wing combat aircraft
 again, but they cannot carry any people, not even pilots.
 
 It's all about UAVs, in particular the Predator (and its derivatives,
 the Reaper and Sky Warrior). These aircraft are changing the way wars
 are fought, and the army has built a fleet of over a thousand UAVs. The
 air force protested this, but the army was doing most of the fighting in
 the current war, and had the clout to persuade the air force to change
 the rules about what kind of aircraft the army could have. Now the army
 can have its fixed wing combat aircraft (over 500 Sky Warriors are on
 the way).
 
 But the two services also worked out an agreement on how to use, and
 share, this growing fleet of armed UAVs. That's because the air force
 and army use their UAVs differently. For the army, the UAV is a tool for
 the local combat commander. That's why each combat division will get a
 Sky Warrior squadron. Combat brigades will also get detachments (of two
 to four UAVs) as needed (even though the brigades always have several
 smaller Shadow 200 UAVs assigned.)
 
 The air force uses Predator and Warrior class UAVs more as strategic
 recon aircraft, and put them at the disposal of the most senior combat
 commander in the region (currently, the head of CENTCOM). The air force
 believed that the army policy of assigning Sky Warriors to brigade and
 division commanders was wasteful, because many would be sitting on the
 ground when the CENTCOM commander has a mission that would benefit from
 the maximum number of UAVs being used. But the army convinced the air
 force that for the combat brigade commander, having those UAVs under his
 command, all the time, is essential to planning and carrying out combat
 operations. Too often in the past, getting the needed number of aircraft
 from the air force/navy 'pool' was chancy, and a major headache for
 ground commanders. This new policy isn't all that new. During World War
 II, the Russians gave ground commanders their own air forces, for the
 same reason American commanders still need them 65 years later.
 
 The US Air Force is planning on replacing its MQ-1B Predators with the
 new US Army MQ-1C Sky Warrior. The latter is developed from the former
 and both are built by the same manufacturer. The air force and army have
 already agreed to cooperate on maintaining and further developing
 Predator and Sky Warrior UAVs, which will save money for both services.
 But the air force is alarmed at some of the army ideas for operating Sky
 Warrior. For example, the army wants to rely more on the software, than
 trained pilots, for flying the UAVs. In fact, the army will not use
 pilots at all as operators. This appalls the air force, which is
 scrambling to turn fighter and transport pilots into Predator operators.
 The air force does use non-pilots for micro-UAVs (similar to the army's
 five pound Raven), which are used to help guard air force bases. But for
 larger UAVs, the air force is concerned about collisions, with other
 UAVs or manned aircraft. The army believes the future holds
 technological solutions for this problem. Besides, the army can't spare
 pilots to man its planned force of over 500 Sky Warriors.
 
 General Atomics, the manufacturer of the Predator UAV, is developing the
 new Sky Warrior UAV. The army wants 45 squadrons (each with 12 UAVs), at
 a cost of about $8 million per aircraft (including ground equipment).
 The Sky Warrior weighs 1.5 tons, carries 300 pounds of sensors
 internally, and up to 500 pounds of sensors or weapons externally. It
 has an endurance of up to 36 hours and a top speed of 270 kilometers an
 hour. Sky Warrior has a wingspan 56 feet and is 28 feet long. The Sky
 Warrior is heavier than the one ton Predator, and a bit larger and more
 capable in general. Basically, it's 'Predator Plus', with the added
 ability to land and take off automatically, and carry four Hellfire
 missiles (compared to two on the Predator).
 
 The size of the army UAV force also scares the air force. The Sky
 Warrior will be carrying Hellfire missiles and Viper Strike smart bombs.
 The army has also been discussing developing its own version of 'JDAM
 Lite.' This would be a hundred pound GPS guided smart bomb, which would
 have about fifty pounds of explosives. That's about the same bang as the
 new air force SDB (the 250 pound 'Small Diameter Bomb'), which also has
 a steel penetrator. The Hellfire carries about ten pounds of explosives,
 and Viper Strike two pounds. The GPS guided 155mm Excalibur artillery
 shell has about 20 pounds of explosives, and the 227mm GPS guided MLRS
 rocket, with 150 pounds of explosives. 'JDAM Lite' would fit into this
 arsenal nicely. The air force sees all these army 'smart weapons' as
 replacing the need for air force close air support. That's what the army
 is thinking, as they want to control their own 'death from above,' and
 not be forced to ask the air force (which often turns them down.)
 
 While the air force has agreed to coexist with the new army air force,
 the army has also agreed to work out how to handle the new traffic
 problems. Sky Warrior has a max ceiling of 29,000 feet, which puts it up
 there (above 10,000 feet) where the large, manned, air force aircraft
 operate. Below 10,000 feet, especially below a thousand feet, pilots are
 warned to be alert for army artillery shells and rockets, as well as the
 five pound Raven UAVs. Basically, it's dangerous down low, although army
 helicopter pilots survive. But they can move slowly, while air force
 jets require the army guys to make sure the air is clear (of little UAVs
 and large artillery shells) before coming on the deck for some gunnery.
 The air force A-10 pilots do this all the time, but it can be unnerving
 for an F-16 pilot. So the air force and the army have formed a group to
 not only work out new rules, but to keep an eye on the situation
 indefinitely, because there will always be new aircraft and technology
 to work into the air control system.
 
 The war on terror, and the campaigns in Iraq and Afghanistan, have
 created a radical change in the way air power supports the ground
 troops. Blame it all on UAVs and smart bombs. The former made aircraft
 much more effective at reconnaissance, while the latter made aircraft
 much more effective at close air support. Both of these changes were
 radical, not just incremental little improvements on what had been done
 before. Now the army has gained direct control over the new combat
 aircraft (the larger UAVs), while also acquiring smart (GPS guided)
 shells and rockets. The air force is still useful (for gaining and
 maintaining control of the air, and for air transport), but it is not as
 critical as it was before. The air force has lost much of its usefulness
 at reconnaissance and direct combat support. This is a major shift in
 combat power, and it will now be up to the army, much more so than in
 the past, to develop new strategies and tactics for the use of air
 power.
 
The US Army Air Force, which dissolved into the US Air Force in 1947, is
 back.
 
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Re: USAF And Army Make A Deal (long)
« Reply #1 on: November 01, 2008, 02:02:17 AM »
Bah, drones. We should do something really revolutionary, build 500 more A-10s and give them to somebody who can understand the concept, like the Marines. Probably have to build a new ammo plant to crank out the 30mm but kill things and break stuff would be in overdrive.  =D
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Re: USAF And Army Make A Deal (long)
« Reply #2 on: November 01, 2008, 02:09:48 AM »
What will the Air Force do when the Navy takes space away from them?

/ no, really, we're gonna have Space Airmen fighting the bugs out there?
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Re: USAF And Army Make A Deal (long)
« Reply #3 on: November 01, 2008, 02:15:55 AM »
Whatever.  :rolleyes:
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Re: USAF And Army Make A Deal (long)
« Reply #4 on: November 01, 2008, 02:39:05 AM »
Whatever.  :rolleyes:

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Re: USAF And Army Make A Deal (long)
« Reply #5 on: November 01, 2008, 04:19:19 AM »
So. The Air Force wants remotely flown planes.

The Army wants SkyNet.

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Re: USAF And Army Make A Deal (long)
« Reply #6 on: November 01, 2008, 08:35:18 AM »
Giving the air force back to the army would solve a number of problems.
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Re: USAF And Army Make A Deal (long)
« Reply #7 on: November 01, 2008, 11:42:09 AM »
Wonder how many ALCMS they can hang off the wing of a Predator UAV?

(I already know how many I can swing in the bomb bays and underwing pylons of a certain non-Army 8-engined bomber...)
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Re: USAF And Army Make A Deal (long)
« Reply #8 on: November 01, 2008, 11:44:20 AM »
Bah, drones. We should do something really revolutionary, build 500 more A-10s and give them to somebody who can understand the concept, like the Marines. Probably have to build a new ammo plant to crank out the 30mm but kill things and break stuff would be in overdrive.  =D
the a10s should have been given to the army and marines a long time ago. they are the ones that need them, not the usaf. the usaf does not even want them, but is not about to give them to another service.
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Re: USAF And Army Make A Deal (long)
« Reply #9 on: November 01, 2008, 11:56:12 AM »
Wonder how many ALCMS they can hang off the wing of a Predator UAV?

(I already know how many I can swing in the bomb bays and underwing pylons of a certain non-Army 8-engined bomber...)

bah, Predators. Real men use Dassault nEUROn.

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