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Police chief is demoted for being away too long!
« on: November 03, 2008, 06:40:03 PM »
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He was deployed on active duty in Iraq and Gitmo.  Comes back to a demotion?  What the F888 is wrong with this country? :mad:

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Re: Police chief is demoted for being away too long!
« Reply #1 on: November 03, 2008, 07:01:08 PM »
Isn't that a violation of the Soldiers & Sailor's Relief Act ?!?!?!?
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Re: Police chief is demoted for being away too long!
« Reply #2 on: November 03, 2008, 07:17:43 PM »
Isn't that a violation of the Soldiers & Sailor's Relief Act ?!?!?!?

Yep.

Must be reinstated to the same or similar position and at the same rate of pay.

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Re: Police chief is demoted for being away too long!
« Reply #3 on: November 03, 2008, 08:26:33 PM »
Sounds like a heck of a lawsuit to me.
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Re: Police chief is demoted for being away too long!
« Reply #4 on: November 03, 2008, 09:32:03 PM »
Listened to a piece on that subject on 60 Minutes or some such., including the police chief. hundreds of vets coming to home to jobs that no longer exist because they were gone to long. lots of lawsuits. the most outrageous was a nurse  that worked for the freaking VA came back to "you were replaced". They also told of people that worked at the PENTAGON not being welcomed back.
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Re: Police chief is demoted for being away too long!
« Reply #5 on: November 04, 2008, 05:21:25 AM »
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They also told of people that worked at the PENTAGON not being welcomed back.
That, to put it mildly, would be surprising to say the least. Any substantiation?

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Re: Police chief is demoted for being away too long!
« Reply #6 on: November 04, 2008, 05:33:36 AM »
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Isn't that a violation of the Soldiers & Sailor's Relief Act

Not if he volunteered.

I don't know the details of his case, but a lot of reservists are volunteering for a tour or voluntarilly extending one they're on.  If you do that SSRA no longer covers you.

I'm a Reservist, and my Civilian job is for the Army in their maitnence program.  My Civilian job requires, as a condition of employment, membership in the Reserves.  I've also seen the new memo detailing that if you volunteer for deployments they don't have to keep your job waiting.

I can actually see both sides to this one.  With involuntary deployments coming every 4-5 years for reservists, to have an employee voluntarilly extend that absence makes it very difficlut on an employer.  Work still needs to get done at home while I'm in the sandbox.

Not saying that's what happened here, but it is an issue these days.

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Re: Police chief is demoted for being away too long!
« Reply #7 on: November 04, 2008, 08:03:31 AM »
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He was deployed on active duty in Iraq and Gitmo.  Comes back to a demotion?  What the F888 is wrong with this country? :mad:
I am not all that thrilled with it, but you need to have a police chief who is actually there being chief, and not somewhere else, for whatever reason.
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Re: Police chief is demoted for being away too long!
« Reply #8 on: November 04, 2008, 11:06:49 AM »
Not if he volunteered.

I don't know the details of his case, but a lot of reservists are volunteering for a tour or voluntarilly extending one they're on.  If you do that SSRA no longer covers you.

USERRA covers voluntary and involuntary military service.   Peacetime and wartime, for that matter.   If anyone tries to shovel something on you because of a voluntary tour, you need to be talking to JAG as fast as you can run to their office.   The only military service that is specifically NOT covered by USERRA is state activation by the NG.   Fed law doesn't cover state Guard functions, each state must pass their own version to cover their soldiers.

Know a lot of Guard people that have been screwed by doing a deployment every other or third year.  Prior to the dual wars, it was expected to have your financials in order to take a year hit in case you got deployed.  Worst case, one year tour in five years of service.  But if you have civilian job or a small business, you cannot sustain it if you're gone every other or every third year indefinitely.  Lot of people have quietly been screwed due to the heightened activation levels.  They signed on the dotted line and the overwhelming majority of them gut it out without a single bitch, but it puts severe strains on businesses, families and financial situations.  I'm sure some joker will be by shortly to claim NG types should STFU about their situation and quit whining.
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Re: Police chief is demoted for being away too long!
« Reply #9 on: November 04, 2008, 11:14:33 AM »
The job of police chief is kinda important.  Don't the citizens of Sherwood deserve a police chief who's actually there being a police chief, and a police force that's functioning properly?  The city managers seemed to think that the quality of policing in their town was suffering while the chief was gone, so they did something about it.

I'm not going to get into the legality of removing a soldier from his civilian job, but I will point out that life must go on back home.  Some jobs just can't wait a year and a half. 

It sucks both for the soldier and the people the soldier leaves int he lurch.

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Re: Police chief is demoted for being away too long!
« Reply #10 on: November 04, 2008, 11:25:37 AM »
I don't see why the town couldn't have an interim police chief. Once the veteran returns, a debriefing of the interim police chief, and the vet steps back in. Heck, it's NOT rocket science.......
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Re: Police chief is demoted for being away too long!
« Reply #11 on: November 04, 2008, 11:30:43 AM »
I agree with Thor.  There HAS to be at least one or 2 officers right below the chief in rank and authority.  It can't be that hard to temporarily promote one of them for a year.

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Re: Police chief is demoted for being away too long!
« Reply #12 on: November 04, 2008, 01:17:40 PM »
I'm not going to get into the legality of removing a soldier from his civilian job, but I will point out that life must go on back home.  Some jobs just can't wait a year and a half. 

It sucks both for the soldier and the people the soldier leaves int he lurch.

"The people" voted to leave themselves in the lurch.  Voting for a pro-war candidate means that you accept responsibility for paying for massive amounts of medical care, housing, equipment, etc that are always associated with combat.  Additionally, it means you accept the damage to the economy and essential services caused by Guardies who leave their day job to go fight in a war.  A massive number of folks in emergency services (cops, EMT's, nurses, et al) are in the Guard or Reserves.  The country obviously has no problem benefitting from the wider level of experience caused by having Reservists who have been extensively trained by the military.  Surely they shouldn't have a problem when the bill comes due.

The solution is not to stab the Reservists in the back.  Bad idea, that.  I'll leave it to your imagination to fill in the potential consequences of making it policy to stab veterans in the back for convenience's sake.  The solution is to accept an ounce of friggin sacrifice that the township knew ahead of time was maybe coming someday and deal with it in a legal, efficient manner. 

Thor's suggestion is legal, practical and an excellent idea.  No person, especially in an emergency role, should be irreplacable.  The chief should have a designated successor who could do the job well enough in case he had a heart attack, got run over by a truck or had to go to war.
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