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Energy independence/alternative energy
« on: November 11, 2008, 05:21:26 PM »
Suppose you generate energy at your house with a wind turbine, or a solar cell array, or from a water wheel, personal nuclear plant, or whatever. All these things are going to at some point generate more power than you can use at that instant, so you can use batteries to store it, for the night time, or when there's no wind, etc.

Or you can sell the surplus energy, thus saving yourself the battery cost (at the price of being at the grid's mercy). In this way you get relief from energy prices without having to invest in as much infrastructure like batteries and inverters. It's my understanding that in most locations (I'm in Texas), somehow, the local electric company HAS to buy your excess power from you, because the distribution grid is seen to be a public service. But how much do you make? Do they HAVE to pay you a certain amount? I pay 14 cents a kWh. If I sell electricity back, do I make that, or do I make less? Does it matter how much I sell back? Does it matter if it's solar, or wind or coal (I imagine subsidys are at work). Plus, in TX, I don't really have a 'local electric company'; I can buy electrical service from many different companies. I wonder how this effects things?
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Re: Energy independence/alternative energy
« Reply #1 on: November 11, 2008, 05:24:57 PM »
I've heard they only pay you about a tenth of what they sell to you for.

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I don't know how true that is, though.

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Re: Energy independence/alternative energy
« Reply #2 on: November 11, 2008, 05:47:52 PM »
california and some other states let you run meter backwards
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Re: Energy independence/alternative energy
« Reply #3 on: November 11, 2008, 06:31:21 PM »
Wait, in America, you can actually choose your electrical power supplier?

Just like that?
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Re: Energy independence/alternative energy
« Reply #4 on: November 11, 2008, 06:37:40 PM »
Wait, in America, you can actually choose your electrical power supplier?

Just like that?

I believe Zahc's situation is uncommon.  Everywhere I've lived, there was one power company servicing that area.

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Re: Energy independence/alternative energy
« Reply #5 on: November 11, 2008, 06:37:55 PM »
Around here you can. I use Green Mountain because they didn't want a deposit, but after getting wacked 17 cents a kWh during peak summer days I might research prices a bit more.
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Re: Energy independence/alternative energy
« Reply #6 on: November 11, 2008, 06:38:23 PM »
I believe Zahc's situation is uncommon.  Everywhere I've lived, there was one power company servicing that area.

Around here, power is a state monopoly.
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Re: Energy independence/alternative energy
« Reply #7 on: November 11, 2008, 07:56:33 PM »
The rules are set state by state. Some states maintain monopoly, but elected officials control prices (with both positives and negatives); other states create competitive markets, other states will mix both.

+/- of state monopoly:
+ prices are consistent and generally stay low
- prices can often stay too low causing investment shortage
- prices can stay low by supplementing the cost with general fund tax dollars
+ low energy prices are a great boon to the poor and to industry

+/- of power competition:
- lose economy of scale
- high capital costs causes very low number of actual competitors
+ competition controls prices
+ market prices drive infrastructure and production investment
+ market prices drive better long term planning
+ market prices drive better maintenance and safety investment
- market prices can fluctuate wildly based on energy source
+ less stress on the state tax budget
- when prices go up, the poor can have a large % of income absorbed
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Re: Energy independence/alternative energy
« Reply #8 on: November 11, 2008, 08:03:42 PM »
On topic, most laws are only for "renewable" energy like solar or wind. The sale of price of your electricity depends on your state laws, every state is different.
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Re: Energy independence/alternative energy
« Reply #9 on: November 12, 2008, 10:22:19 AM »
On topic, most laws are only for "renewable" energy like solar or wind. The sale of price of your electricity depends on your state laws, every state is different.

In general though, most have 'Net Metering'.  That means that assuming your usage through the billing period equals your generation, net zero, all you'd owe would be the connection fees.

By the same token, if you over-produce(say, solar panels in the summer), the electric company is normally only obligated to buy at their wholesale rate - They might sell you electricity for 12 cents a kwh, but only buy at 4.  As a result most installers/users of 'alternative energy' will often slightly undersize the system - because it's not worth the money to overbuild to get a check from the electric company.

Depending on state and electric company, instead you might go to an annual net metering system in that case to save even more energy.

I'd suggest contacting your electric company.  They'll know just what's up for your area.

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Re: Energy independence/alternative energy
« Reply #10 on: November 12, 2008, 02:52:28 PM »
In Missouri, we just got some new and beneficial laws on the books...
 
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