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Owners now defaulting on "rescued" loans.
« on: December 08, 2008, 04:06:51 PM »
Anyone surprised at this?

Unclear as to why? Maybe a combination of buyers who never should have qualified, a sinking economy that's probably seeing a lot of those same people losing their jobs, owners who have little clue about who to manage their finances, and rescued owners who figure "hey, what they hell, the government saved my ass once, why not again?".


"WASHINGTON (Reuters) – More than half of mortgages modified in a bid to avoid foreclosure fell delinquent within six months, a top U.S. banking regulator said on Monday, casting doubt on a proposal to rewrite home loans en masse.

Comptroller of the Currency John Dugan said it was unclear why so many borrowers ran into trouble again so soon after getting help, and that raises questions about how policy-makers should address loan modifications.

"Is it because the modifications did not reduce monthly payments enough to be truly affordable to the borrowers? Is it because consumers replaced lower mortgage payments with increased credit card debt?" Dugan said at a housing conference in Washington organized by the Office of Thrift Supervision.

"Is it because the mortgages were so badly underwritten that the borrowers simply could not afford them, even with reduced monthly payments? Or is it a combination of these and other factors?"

The crumbling housing market is at the heart of the financial crisis that tipped the United States into recession and dragged down the global economy, and regulators are scrambling to find a way to limit foreclosures.

Sheila Bair, chairman of the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp, has been a big proponent of a home loan modification program that would encourage lenders to rework a greater number of mortgages by pledging public money to share the cost of defaults on restructured loans.

However, Dugan's figures suggested that the cost to taxpayers may be high. He said his data showed that of mortgages that were modified in the first three months of 2008, nearly 36 percent had re-defaulted after three months, and almost 53 percent were behind on payments by six months.

The OCC will release a report on mortgages later this month that will show increasing delinquencies and foreclosures on mortgages held by the largest national banks and federally regulated thrifts, the agency said.

John Reich, director of the Office of Thrift Supervision, said he had "concerns" about allocating too much federal money to loan modifications. FDIC's Bair said bank regulators needed to look at the redefault data "carefully" to figure out what caused so many borrowers to slip back into arrears.

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Bair's mortgage rewrite proposal has picked up some proponents in Congress, where many lawmakers have been critical of the Bush Administration's use of a $700 billion financial rescue fund that has so far been tapped primarily to buy stakes in banks.

Rep. Barney Frank, the Democrat who chairs the House of Representatives Financial Services Committee, told CNBC that he would agree to release the remaining $350 billion to the Treasury Department "only if they made it very clear that they were wrong in refusing (to use) it for foreclosure relief.

"The bill was sold in part to help reduce foreclosures. Foreclosures are getting worse," he said.

The U.S. Federal Reserve has pledged up to $500 billion in money to buy securities backed by mortgages in an effort to shore up the housing market, and Fed Vice Chairman Donald Kohn said on Monday that a broad approach would be needed to stem the foreclosure tide.

"I suspect there isn't going to be any one approach that will be superior to another approach," Kohn said in response to a question at the housing forum. "Problems are deep enough, persistent enough, pervasive enough that we're going to have to attack it on many different fronts at the same time."
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Re: Owners now defaulting on "rescued" loans.
« Reply #1 on: December 08, 2008, 04:08:12 PM »
Obviously, they need to relax lending standards to let those people get another loan.

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Re: Owners now defaulting on "rescued" loans.
« Reply #2 on: December 08, 2008, 04:14:08 PM »
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Obviously, they need to relax lending standards to let those people get another loan.

Well duh!  :laugh:

The way it works if you're a looter is, "Hey, if they're gonna cut me a deal because I can't pay, then I need to not pay again so I can get a better deal. Eventually I'll get my house for free (thanks to those suckers who think responsibility is 'all that') "
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Re: Owners now defaulting on "rescued" loans.
« Reply #3 on: December 08, 2008, 04:20:33 PM »
Maned, let's you and I each go buy a house and default on it so we get a piece of this pie.

/cynicism

This [censored] is ridiculous.
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« Reply #4 on: December 08, 2008, 04:23:23 PM »
This is happening because politicians (and political appointees) know that the questions "How do I fix the problem?" and "How do I get to keep my job and keep lining my pockets?" have different answers.  :mad:

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Re: Owners now defaulting on "rescued" loans.
« Reply #5 on: December 08, 2008, 04:23:45 PM »
Maned, let's you and I each go buy a house and default on it so we get a piece of this pie.

/cynicism

This [censored] is ridiculous.

Why not, I'm paying for it anyway!

Seriously. I'd like to have a nice big finished basement McMansion. People who make less than me have that. They're defaulting. They get to keep it. I get to pay for it.

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Re: Owners now defaulting on "rescued" loans.
« Reply #6 on: December 08, 2008, 04:34:01 PM »
This really stinks, because I'm looking at refinancing my mortgage right now.

Oh, wait, I belong to a credit union that's in fantastic financial shape, and hasn't slammed the door shut on lending.

Oh, wait, I have an absolutely perfect payment record on my mortgage.

Oh, wait, I have a credit score pushing 800.

Oh, wait, even with the downturn in the economy, I'm still looking for a loan than is tens of thousands less than the value of the house.

Oh, wait, if the CU demands a big downpayment, I've got that, too.

Even so, I know the mortgage people at my CU are going to climb inside my life and pretty much rip it apart. Perfectly logical, just annoying as hell.

Right now I can get a 5% rate at 30 years from the CU. Not bad.
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Re: Owners now defaulting on "rescued" loans.
« Reply #7 on: December 08, 2008, 04:58:05 PM »
Let's look at it another way:  'Home mortgage rewrite scheme has almost 50% success rate'. 

Personally, I'm all for the mortgage crisis returning home values to something reasonable.  That doesn't mean that a business can't rewrite stuff in an attempt to keep people paying, reducing the number of almost unsellable forclosures.  That doesn't mean that ALL of the people who signed onto one of these stupid mortgages needs to be forclosed on.

In some cases, simply converting an ARM into a fixed-rate works.  Though with the drops in federal interest rates, some ARMS have actually dropped.

Still, by all measures I think a number of real estate lenders need to be heavily fined/sent to jail/prison for false underwriting.

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« Reply #8 on: December 08, 2008, 05:13:56 PM »
Let's look at it another way:  'Home mortgage rewrite scheme has almost 50% success rate'. 

That would be an accurate portrayal if the bailed-out loans were all six-month mortgages.  Unfortunately, I suspect this is not the case.

You know, when I moved to Texas two-and-a-half years ago, I decided against trying to buy a house because I thought it would be too expensive on my graduate student budget.  Oh, well.  =|

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« Reply #9 on: December 08, 2008, 05:32:12 PM »
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Re: Owners now defaulting on "rescued" loans.
« Reply #10 on: December 08, 2008, 05:40:19 PM »
And the gov and media keep yelling at the financial folks for failing to make loans with the bail-out money.  Yeah, push banks to make loans they don't want to make.  That's not how we got into this situation in the first place, or anything.   ;/

One local talk show guy I really like keeps complaining that AIG invested billions in China.  What did he want them to do?  Invest in GM?   :rolleyes:
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Re: Owners now defaulting on "rescued" loans.
« Reply #11 on: December 08, 2008, 06:25:02 PM »
Hmmm, lets see now, I was living in a 500 square foot cabin because it was what I could afford.  I got together with my Lady and we needed more space.  I went out and paid cash for the material to double the size of it.  I did the work, including adding on an extra bedroom.  I still owe nothing on it, or my truck, or my jeep.  I am now cutting back on all aspects of expenses so that we have some cushion in the budget.  She is letting her Son take over the payments on her Xterra so she can cut that $500 a month out.

Where's out slice of the pie?  We must be doing something wrong by living within our means and setting ourselves up to be saving money.  Its just not fair!

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« Reply #12 on: December 08, 2008, 07:51:53 PM »
I remember that 6 or 9 months ago a bunch of banks got together and voluntarily decided to write down their own loans at their own expense.  There was no government money involved at the time, and the banks weren't forced into doing anything they didn't think was in their self-interest.  I think those loans are the ones they're discussing in the article.  The author never actually says one way or the other, but that was the only en masse mortgage rewrite plan that started 6 months ago.

That being the case, I think Firethorn is right.  A 50% success rate is actually quite good.  Before the loan rewrites, 100% of the loans were in default.  The plan cut the default rate by half. 

So long as the plan remains voluntary and isn't funded by tax dollars, then I think it's a good one.  Of course, that means the Democrats will try to force this plan down everyone's throats, and they'll use public money to do it.

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« Reply #13 on: December 08, 2008, 08:51:14 PM »
So long as the plan remains voluntary and isn't funded by tax dollars, then I think it's a good one. 

Ultimately it ends up being like how credit card companies will often lower their interest rate if you call and ask/complain.

Besides, it's not like the bank's normally writing off principal - they're simply writing off interest.  They're losing money in the sense that they're not making as much as they'd hoped.

Unless they're getting government bailout money.  Still object to that one.

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« Reply #14 on: December 08, 2008, 10:52:59 PM »
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They're losing money in the sense that they're not making as much as they'd hoped.

In government-speak, that would be called a "budget cut," or "slashing funding for a program."

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« Reply #15 on: December 09, 2008, 12:27:45 AM »
Like I said earlier, us folks are at a terrible disadvantage, what with us trying to do The Right Thing, when we could obviously be moochers just like a large part of the population. One gets incredibly tired of supporting parasites and those who enable them.
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« Reply #16 on: December 09, 2008, 03:14:02 PM »
Like I said earlier, us folks are at a terrible disadvantage, what with us trying to do The Right Thing, when we could obviously be moochers just like a large part of the population. One gets incredibly tired of supporting parasites and those who enable them.

But then the left then gets to claim the ever more significant mooch vote, resulting in more Obamas, Feinsteins, Franks, Kennedys, Pelosis, et al

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« Reply #17 on: December 09, 2008, 07:12:02 PM »
Like I said earlier, us folks are at a terrible disadvantage, what with us trying to do The Right Thing, when we could obviously be moochers just like a large part of the population. One gets incredibly tired of supporting parasites and those who enable them.

This is exactly how I feel. I've seen some of these folks on TV, and some of them own homes I will never be able (or willing, for that matter) to afford. It's more and more common for owners of these "McMansions" or "Starter Castles" to come to the realization that they can't afford their big dream home. I know folks like this. Many refuse to move to another more affordable house as "they love this house" or "love the area" or "we like the schools". 

None of them would ever stoop so low as to move to an vert affordable city neighborhood. Only poor people live in the city. Racism plays a part as well.

When do the non-moochers get some reward? Where's my help? When do I get to stop paying for stupidity and greed?

I guess it's a good thing that only half are failing. Maybe financial institutions will get just a little less corporate welfare/socialism.
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