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Re: Getting a car loan: bank, dealer, or other?
« Reply #25 on: December 23, 2008, 02:11:40 PM »
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http://www.bankrate.com/brm/rate/auto_home.asp claims to have a list of the best rates both locally and nationally, but honestly I don't have much experience with them. That being said with the market being what it is you can probably negotiate using some of these prices as a starting point.
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Re: Getting a car loan: bank, dealer, or other?
« Reply #26 on: December 23, 2008, 03:32:08 PM »
"Sufficiently reliable" is an interesting phrase. It's really all about % chance of issues. That % is far, far lower with a newer (more expensive) car.

It's easy for someone with a certain amount of mechanical knowledge and ability to endure hardship to just say "Oh if it breaks fix it." But telling the preggo with the little kid, living in Michigan, "Well this car is 30-50% more likely to leave you and your kid stranded in the blowing snow, -15* weather.... but if that's what it takes to avoid taking a loan it's worth it! You vain, silly girl you...." is in fact arrogant, condescending, and wrong.

I know you hate taking on debt; so do I. And it usually is a bad idea. But taking a generalization and saying it must always be true in all circumstances is foolish. It's a lot like Obama: "the solution to Iraq is to never have invaded." Sure, it would've been better if BW had been saving a little here and there for a few years so she could just drop $10k on a new car; but that isn't the situation, and attacking and insulting her accomplishes nothing but making yourself look like an ass.
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Re: Getting a car loan: bank, dealer, or other?
« Reply #27 on: December 23, 2008, 04:26:02 PM »
What's so scary about debt?  Debt is just a tool like any other.  Sometimes it's the right tool or the job, sometimes it isn't.

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Re: Getting a car loan: bank, dealer, or other?
« Reply #28 on: December 23, 2008, 04:28:52 PM »
only new car i bought was for wife and kids, no way i want them broke down
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Re: Getting a car loan: bank, dealer, or other?
« Reply #29 on: December 23, 2008, 05:03:50 PM »
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But seriously, put feelers out in your family - You're looking for a cheap but reliable car. Somewhere, someone has an aunt/uncle who is trading...
 
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Re: Getting a car loan: bank, dealer, or other?
« Reply #30 on: December 23, 2008, 05:22:27 PM »
The Dealer will almost certainly ding you on the price of the car or the price of the loan.  They will make every attempt to break even on the trade off.  Get the best 3rd party loan you can find, and pay the price the dealer quoted you on the car.  That said, the dealer might come back with a better rate in the end....but not likely. 
I'm just curious about all the people here who can pay $20-40K for a car with cash.  I'd think that cash could earn far more than 3-4% in normal times.  Using OPM (other people's money) ain't always the dumb way of doing things.

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Re: Getting a car loan: bank, dealer, or other?
« Reply #31 on: December 23, 2008, 05:53:35 PM »
only new car i bought was for wife and kids, no way i want them broke down

But... butbutbutbutbutbutbutbutbutbutbut....

If you're in debt, the MAN owns you!

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Re: Getting a car loan: bank, dealer, or other?
« Reply #32 on: December 23, 2008, 05:55:49 PM »
Using OPM (other people's money) ain't always the dumb way of doing things.
That's especially true when it doesn't cost you anything to use their money.  These days it seems like all kinds of sellers are willing to give you honest 0% financing to buy their products.

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Re: Getting a car loan: bank, dealer, or other?
« Reply #33 on: December 23, 2008, 06:18:23 PM »
THE MAN OWNS YOU!!!


not the way the kids do
It is much more powerful to seek Truth for one's self.  Seeing and hearing that others seem to have found it can be a motivation.  With me, I was drawn because of much error and bad judgment on my part. Confronting one's own errors and bad judgment is a very life altering situation.  Confronting the errors and bad judgment of others is usually hypocrisy.


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Re: Getting a car loan: bank, dealer, or other?
« Reply #34 on: December 23, 2008, 06:18:39 PM »
That's especially true when it doesn't cost you anything to use their money.  These days it seems like all kinds of sellers are willing to give you honest 0% financing to buy their products.

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Re: Getting a car loan: bank, dealer, or other?
« Reply #35 on: December 23, 2008, 10:29:04 PM »
Shop around for different rates. You will be surprised.

My bank wanted to charge us 6% on a car loan.

Our credit union wanted to charge us 5.35%. We said ok.

We got to the dealer, and through Toyota financing we got a better deal (5.25%) than the credit union. We gave the credit union one more chance to beat it, but they couldn't and we gave them the check back.

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Re: Getting a car loan: bank, dealer, or other?
« Reply #36 on: December 23, 2008, 10:51:49 PM »
But... butbutbutbutbutbutbutbutbutbutbut....

If you're in debt, the MAN owns you!

THE MAN OWNS YOU!!!

Borrow a dollar from the bank and the bank owns you.

Borrow a million dollars from the bank and you own the bank.

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Re: Getting a car loan: bank, dealer, or other?
« Reply #37 on: December 24, 2008, 12:14:50 AM »
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Re: Getting a car loan: bank, dealer, or other?
« Reply #38 on: January 01, 2009, 01:15:00 AM »
For anyone still interested, the deal is over. I didn't get the best rate, but did get 5.75%. I didn't get the dealer to drop the price any further, but did get them to give me different wheels, which are worth a bit of money.

After getting approved by my bank, I went to the dealership to haggle. I acted like I wanted the car, but was tempted by Ford's incredible incentives on new cars. I hemmed and hawed about it, then offered $17,500. The salesman made the obligatory trip to the sales manager's office (he probably just went to the bathroom), came back and said $18,900 was as low as they could go. I suggested $18,000. He again went to his sales manager (or to the bathroom).

He brought out "the sheet." This is a piece of paper with numbers all over it that shows what the dealership supposedly paid for the car. It's bull. The sheet showed they'd paid $21,500. I told him that, if they had paid that much, they paid about $4000 to $5000 too much, which they wouldn't do. I gave him my card and told him to call me if he wished.

When I got home, I went to Kelly Blue Book and Edmunds, and entered all of the options this car has (there's very few it doesn't have). Based upon those options, condition of the car and mileage, the car was definitely worth more than $18,900. I'm sure that they told the previous owner that they'd give him $21,500 in trade for his new vehicle, but they weren't able to reduce the price of the new vehicle. So they essentially paid somewhere around $17K for the Mustang, and got a bit less than full value on the new vehicle.

After looking at that, I realized that $18,900 was probably as low as they could go, or pretty close to it. Their profit was probably about 10-12%. They had already reduced the price from $22,900 to $21,900 to $18,900.

I also found out why I hadn't been able to find the deep red exterior/tan interior color combination I wanted anywhere else: out of the 160,000+ Mustangs made in 2007, there were only 312 five-speed GT's made in that color combination. I could look the rest of my life and not find one for sale.

I called my brother to confirm my thoughts, then called the salesman, and said I'd be stopping by with a check. As I waited for him to get paperwork, I looked at the car and confirmed I'd made the right decision.

I drove it for all of twenty minutes today from the dealership to the storage building. Now I have to wait until April or so to actually get to drive it.

It's not a cheap car, and it's not a practical car. But it's fast, handles fantastic, and it makes me feel good. I'm just wondering how many tickets I'll have by the end of the summer.

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Re: Getting a car loan: bank, dealer, or other?
« Reply #39 on: January 01, 2009, 01:32:22 AM »
I like that color combination, too.

Looked around, liked what you saw, did the research, and after due consideration made a deal that buyer and seller are happy, or at least content, with. Well done. Enjoy the car to the fullest, 'leg. Maybe post a photo for us when you take it out and about, eh?
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Re: Getting a car loan: bank, dealer, or other?
« Reply #40 on: January 01, 2009, 01:38:40 PM »
I am the type of person to get a new car every year and a half or so.  I usually go through Dealer Financing since they have 0%.  In the current market however that is going to be a lot harder to get. 

One thing worth noting.  GMAC just became a bank so they could get some of the government money.  Unlike most other banks that got the money however they have actually dome something useful.  They lowered the Credit Score cut off by about 80 Points and shifted the tiers appropriately so you may be able to get a pretty good loan through GMAC. 

Credit Unions tend to be the next best, with banks coming in a distant third. 

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Re: Getting a car loan: bank, dealer, or other?
« Reply #41 on: January 01, 2009, 02:07:24 PM »
I am the type of person to get a new car every year and a half or so.  I usually go through Dealer Financing since they have 0%.  In the current market however that is going to be a lot harder to get. 

And you are aware that cars generally last longer than that, or are you putting ungodly numbers of miles on them?

It sounds like you're disposing of your old car just as the worst of the depreciation is over.

Or is it that you have a number of cars, thus are actually disposing of a 4-6 year old machine?

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Re: Getting a car loan: bank, dealer, or other?
« Reply #42 on: January 01, 2009, 02:19:10 PM »
Some people just like always having a new car.  Either they like new shiny things, get bored with the old one, or just like the new car smell.  If they have the money to be less then practical more power to them....though I never understood buying a car when that's the plan.

Seems like the situation I'd actually consider a lease (and I personally hate the idea of leasing a car in general)
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Re: Getting a car loan: bank, dealer, or other?
« Reply #43 on: January 01, 2009, 03:48:06 PM »
Some people just like always having a new car.  Either they like new shiny things, get bored with the old one, or just like the new car smell. 

You pretty much hit the nail on the head.