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Gaza: 3 soldiers killed, 24 injured in friendly fire incident

Friendly fire in northern Gaza claims lives of three soldiers, leaves one critically injured, three in serious condition; 24 others sustain minor injures
Hanan Greenberg

Cleared for publication: Three IDF soldiers were killed and 24 others were injured, one critically and three seriously on Monday evening, in a friendly fire incident in northern Gaza.
 
Among the fatalities were two officers and a soldier. Colonel Avi Peled, commander of the Golani Brigade sustained minor injuries in the incident.
 
One of the soldiers killed in the incident was identified as Corporal Yosef Muadi, 19, of Haifa. He will be laid to rest at 3 pm at the Bircha cemetery.
  The injured were triaged and cared for on site before being airlifted to the Chaim Sheba Medical Center at Tel Hashomer, Soroka University Medical Center in Beersheba, Hadassah Ein Kerem Hospital in Jerusalem and the Rabin Medical Center in Petah Tikva. All of the families have been notified. 
 
According to the IDF Spokesman's Unit, the grave incident occurred when a tank, deployed as part of Operation Cast Lead, accidentally fired a live round at an abandoned building in Jabalya, in which Golani forces, who were operating in the area, took cover. 
 
According to available information, shortly after 6 pm, a blast took out part of the building, causing some of its walls to collapse and injuring the entire force.
 
Earlier Monday, the IDF explored the possibility that the building collapsed due to the detonation of explosives in it – an option which was ruled out as the details of the incident unfolded.
 
 
The injured were extracted under the cover of heavy IDF artillery fire and with the assistance of IAF helicopters which dropped illuminating bombs in order light their way.
 
Colonel Peled reportedly refused to leave the scene despite his injuries, opting to see to the rescue and triage of his troops. He sought medical care only after the last of his troops were evacuated.
 

Peled's conduct and actions, said an IDF source, show courage and "personified the kind of behavior the IDF expects of its commanders in such times."
 
Peled, a former Egoz Brigade and Battalion 51 head, assumed command of Golani last summer. Prior to his Golani assignment Peled headed the Gaza Division's southern brigade. It was during that time that Gilad Shalit was kidnapped by Hamas, but a subsequent military inquiry found no fault in Peled's conduct.

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What the hell? Why the hell are own troops more efficient at killing each other than Hamas is?
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Re: Gaza: 3 soldiers killed, 24 injured in friendly fire incident
« Reply #1 on: January 06, 2009, 03:33:09 AM »
How does a tank "accidentally" fire a round, when the entire firing procedure is a multi-stage process involving back and forth confirmations between the entire crew on board?

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Re: Gaza: 3 soldiers killed, 24 injured in friendly fire incident
« Reply #2 on: January 06, 2009, 03:40:17 AM »
How does a tank "accidentally" fire a round, when the entire firing procedure is a multi-stage process involving back and forth confirmations between the entire crew on board?

Who knows, but such problems do exist - the Warrior APC does/did have a problem with "unintended" fire of its 30mm and coaxial gun without anyone doing anything beyond making the system live. 

I rather think this is an accident solely in terms of them not knowing Israelis were inside it, though.
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Re: Gaza: 3 soldiers killed, 24 injured in friendly fire incident
« Reply #3 on: January 06, 2009, 03:41:14 AM »
How does a tank "accidentally" fire a round, when the entire firing procedure is a multi-stage process involving back and forth confirmations between the entire crew on board?

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Re: Gaza: 3 soldiers killed, 24 injured in friendly fire incident
« Reply #4 on: January 06, 2009, 03:42:15 AM »
Rule #1 of Murphy's Laws of Combat:

"Friendly fire - isn't"

Rule #32 of Murphy's Laws of Combat:

"The only thing more accurate than incoming enemy fire is incoming friendly fire."

http://pages.swcp.com/~russo/laws-o-combat.html
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Re: Gaza: 3 soldiers killed, 24 injured in friendly fire incident
« Reply #5 on: January 06, 2009, 03:59:10 AM »
It's unfortunate for those who were hurt or killed, but things like this happen in war.

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...deployed as part of Operation Cast Lead...
What a cool name for a military operation.

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Re: Gaza: 3 soldiers killed, 24 injured in friendly fire incident
« Reply #6 on: January 06, 2009, 04:12:25 AM »
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Re: Gaza: 3 soldiers killed, 24 injured in friendly fire incident
« Reply #7 on: January 06, 2009, 08:12:51 AM »
Sounds like the same incident.

Condolences to the families of all involved.

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Re: Gaza: 3 soldiers killed, 24 injured in friendly fire incident
« Reply #8 on: January 06, 2009, 08:16:36 AM »
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Sounds like the same incident.

Separate. Four dead total.
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Re: Gaza: 3 soldiers killed, 24 injured in friendly fire incident
« Reply #9 on: January 06, 2009, 09:34:20 AM »
Sadly, friendly fire has always been a part of war, and will be for the foreseeable future.
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Re: Gaza: 3 soldiers killed, 24 injured in friendly fire incident
« Reply #10 on: January 06, 2009, 10:41:36 AM »
Micro Sez:

What the hell? Why the hell are own troops more efficient at killing each other than Hamas is?

It is thus when the enemy is inept.  A very similar thing happened in to the USA in GWI (FF casualties a great proportion of total casualties).
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Re: Gaza: 3 soldiers killed, 24 injured in friendly fire incident
« Reply #11 on: January 06, 2009, 01:12:07 PM »
Rule #1 of Murphy's Laws of Combat:

"Friendly fire - isn't"

Rule #32 of Murphy's Laws of Combat:

"The only thing more accurate than incoming enemy fire is incoming friendly fire."

http://pages.swcp.com/~russo/laws-o-combat.html

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Re: Gaza: 3 soldiers killed, 24 injured in friendly fire incident
« Reply #12 on: January 06, 2009, 01:42:56 PM »
How does a tank "accidentally" fire a round, when the entire firing procedure is a multi-stage process involving back and forth confirmations between the entire crew on board?

If the unit was in contact (explaining why the troops were taking cover), the crew could have misidentified, or simply missed, the target.  Our blue on blue incidents are typically described the same way:  it's an accident even when troops intentionally fire but accidentally (or negligently depending on the circumstances) do so on friendlies.

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Re: Gaza: 3 soldiers killed, 24 injured in friendly fire incident
« Reply #13 on: January 06, 2009, 02:14:59 PM »
Who knows, but such problems do exist - the Warrior APC does/did have a problem with "unintended" fire of its 30mm and coaxial gun without anyone doing anything beyond making the system live.
Are the shells electrically primed?

I was once talking to a Honeywell engineer who said the Brits had some "issues" with their Harriers during the Falklands War - the carriers were supposed to shut down all their radars, radios, etc., during flight operations because there was a fear of induced currents setting off some munitions.  :O

Friendly fire is nothing new . . . during WWII, my father got strafed by Marine flyers. Since his CO was with him - and didn't take kindly to this - the word is that several Marine flyers ended up in the Marine infantry.
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