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He had a strange discharge while using the toilet...
« on: January 14, 2009, 11:55:39 PM »
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Man accidentally shoots toilet, injured by shrapnel

By Ben Winslow

Deseret News
Published: Wednesday, Jan. 14, 2009 9:32 a.m. MST
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CENTERVILLE β€” A man was wounded by shrapnel from a toilet when his concealed weapon accidentally went off while he was using the bathroom, police said.

It happened Tuesday at the Carl's Jr. restaurant at 385 N. 800 West. Police said the 26-year-old man had gone into the bathroom to use the toilet, armed with a .40-caliber Kahr P40 handgun. The man, who has a valid concealed weapon permit and was lawfully in possession of the gun, had it in a holster inside his pants.

"While pulling his pants up the gun fell out of the holster, striking the tile floor," Centerville Police Lt. Paul Child said Wednesday. "When the gun hit the floor, it went off, and the bullet struck the toilet, shattering it and sending sharp pieces of porcelain flying."

The man was hit by some porcelain shards, lacerating his arm. No one else was injured, but an employee of the restaurant in the next-door women's restroom heard the gunshot and panicked.

"She was shaken, she was upset and was complaining of some chest pain," Child said.

The man walked into the restaurant area, holding his wound and asked an employee to call 911. Police and paramedics responded to the call of shots fired inside the restaurant and ended up treating the man for the cuts to his arm. The woman also was treated at the scene.
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"In this case it appears that the accident would have been prevented if the man had used a secure holster," Child said. "A good quality firearm also should not fire if it is dropped."

The man was not cited, but police took the firearm for safekeeping while they finish their investigation.

"He was shaken up. We felt it was prudent to secure the firearm," Child said. "He'll be able to have the firearm released back to him."




 =D This one gave me a good laugh. Sounds like a pretty crappy (bad pun completely intended) weapon, if it fired just from being dropped. Maybe he should have found a way to keep it in his pants.
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Re: He had a strange discharge while using the toilet...
« Reply #1 on: January 15, 2009, 12:05:15 AM »
Ya know, I hate using public restrooms when I'm carrying.  Granted, I hate using public restrooms to begin with, but that's a whole different story.  However, on those occasions that I find need to do so, I make *DANG* sure that my gun can't be seen from the next stall over (don't want the sheeple to panic), and that I'm in full control of things when I'm pullin' the pants back up.  Even though it's in a quality holster, with a thumb break, I still make sure that I'm IN CONTROL as I'm moving things.  Plus it would be really crappy to shoot the guy in the next stall over.....     :rolleyes:
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Re: He had a strange discharge while using the toilet...
« Reply #2 on: January 15, 2009, 12:41:24 AM »
I thought it was going to be another Ned Hamford excreta story!  :laugh:

I'm guessing he was playing with it and dropped it and tried to catch it, pulling the trigger, and just said it went off when it hit the floor to make it sound like it was less his fault. That or it's an older pre-firing-pin-block gun, or faulty. I'd wager on the playing around with it, or fumbling it and snagging the trigger.

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Re: He had a strange discharge while using the toilet...
« Reply #3 on: January 15, 2009, 12:57:57 AM »
I thought it was going to be another Ned Hamford excreta story!  :laugh:

I'm guessing he was playing with it and dropped it and tried to catch it, pulling the trigger, and just said it went off when it hit the floor to make it sound like it was less his fault. That or it's an older pre-firing-pin-block gun, or faulty. I'd wager on the playing around with it, or fumbling it and snagging the trigger.

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I too make sure I'm in complete control, good holster user too.
He didn't drop it, kahrs are fine guns, he was messing around some how, got complacent.
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Re: He had a strange discharge while using the toilet...
« Reply #4 on: January 15, 2009, 01:24:46 AM »
I'm with Marnoot: he either dropped it and tried to grab it or was playing with it and had an ND. I'm pretty sure all Kahr's are drop safe, aren't they?
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Re: He had a strange discharge while using the toilet...
« Reply #5 on: January 15, 2009, 01:53:24 AM »
Even guns that don't have firing pin blocks won't fire when dropped from 3 feet off the ground.  The only reason that gun went off was because he somehow managed to pull the trigger.

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Re: He had a strange discharge while using the toilet...
« Reply #6 on: January 15, 2009, 02:01:00 AM »
You know, people have used other strange items as 'adult novelties'.  :lol:

If I'm ever attacked by zombie toilets, I'm going with the Glock Fotay. Impressive stopping power.  =D

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Re: He had a strange discharge while using the toilet...
« Reply #7 on: January 15, 2009, 02:02:14 AM »
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Re: He had a strange discharge while using the toilet...
« Reply #8 on: January 15, 2009, 06:58:38 AM »
It doesn't sound like an accident to me. It sounds more like a self-inflicted genius was fooling around with a gun.
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Re: He had a strange discharge while using the toilet...
« Reply #9 on: January 15, 2009, 07:51:02 AM »
Maybe he was trying to clear a stoppage. =D
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Re: He had a strange discharge while using the toilet...
« Reply #10 on: January 15, 2009, 08:08:56 AM »
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Even guns that don't have firing pin blocks won't fire when dropped from 3 feet off the ground.

California found out, during the first days of "safety certifications" for handguns, that even cheap handguns they were trying to ban via the "certifications" would not fire when dropped from heights greater than a few feet. So I agree something else was going on here.
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Re: He had a strange discharge while using the toilet...
« Reply #11 on: January 15, 2009, 08:29:28 AM »
Absent a mechanical fault (i.e., something broke) I agree that the pistol would not have fired when dropped a couple of feet. Since broken guns don't fix themselves, examination of the firearm in question ought to conclusively determine whether it fired from being dropped, or if something else was going in.

(The long, essentially DA pull of a Kahr makes me consider an "accidental" pulling of the trigger with a great deal of skepticism.)
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Re: He had a strange discharge while using the toilet...
« Reply #12 on: January 15, 2009, 08:49:49 AM »
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Re: He had a strange discharge while using the toilet...
« Reply #13 on: January 15, 2009, 09:12:19 AM »
Absent a mechanical fault (i.e., something broke) I agree that the pistol would not have fired when dropped a couple of feet. Since broken guns don't fix themselves, examination of the firearm in question ought to conclusively determine whether it fired from being dropped, or if something else was going in.

(The long, essentially DA pull of a Kahr makes me consider an "accidental" pulling of the trigger with a great deal of skepticism.)

That's what happened when a junior baliff here, pretending to be James Bond, NDed himself in the heel with a Beretta .25 he had in an ankle holster. Finding was it was in perfect condition, and he had to have had it cocked and in the holster wrong, which is...a Darwin award for those. There's no reason to have it cocked, you can do it with a thumb. He also wasn't authorized to have it, and it's doubtful it'd do anything against a charging meth tweaker anyway.

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Re: He had a strange discharge while using the toilet...
« Reply #14 on: January 15, 2009, 09:20:48 AM »
looking at my PF9, it seems the striker is only held back by the firing pin spring, with no mechanical block. In that case it would seem that a hard enough drop on the muzzle could set it off. One wonders how firing perfectly muzzle-down results in shooting the toilet, anyway.
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Re: He had a strange discharge while using the toilet...
« Reply #15 on: January 15, 2009, 10:02:12 AM »
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The man was not cited, but police took the firearm for safekeeping while they finish their investigation.

"He was shaken up. We felt it was prudent to secure the firearm," Child said. "He'll be able to have the firearm released back to him."

I'm not quite sure how this is necessary, it's not like there's any dispute that he shot the toilet.
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Re: He had a strange discharge while using the toilet...
« Reply #16 on: January 15, 2009, 10:48:44 AM »
I was thinking him might have had it stuffed into a pocket.  Things move around in the pockets when dropped and pulling up the pants.  Might have gotten keys or something in the trigger.  If he was doing a Mexican carry, I have trouble seeing how it was an accident without him accidentally pulling the trigger.
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